Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account • Hacker News Board

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by maximente » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:52 PM UTC

derp_dee_derp wrote: post #8

Both sides, Democrat and Republican, are now anti big tech. Love it or Hate it, when you piss off the most powerful governing body on the planet you're in for a bad time. My question is more timeframe: Google obviously won't be broken up tomorrow, but probably earlier than a decade from now. I guess the timeframe depends on who wins the next presidential election?

reads like a great parable to be written afterwards:

the algorithms, successful 99.8% of the time, misfired on a US presidential candidate, who went on to lead the eventually successful efforts to break up Google, neutering its algorithms' effects upon the world.

the algorithms giveth; the algorithms taketh away

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by ex1710_01 » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:53 PM UTC

belltaco wrote: post #21

cwkoss wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated The subtext I'm reading is that the "major" political accounts probably have specific flags set by Google internally to prevent automated shut-offs like this. If Google is not applying these whitelist flags to all candidates in a fair and systematic fashion, it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit c…

>it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit certain candidates at the expense of others Which is still not illegal. Fox News does it all the time.

Google is a monopoly. Fox News is not.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by DavidAdams » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:53 PM UTC

bufferoverflow wrote: post #34

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship. https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8 (note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

James O'Keefe claiming something doesn't make it a fact. On the contrary, I'd be inclined to doubt the claim in that case.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by fooey » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:54 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

Killing suspicious spending makes sense to both sides of the spend. If you're going to radically change your spending, the responsible move it always make sure everyone knows it's coming.

Same thing will happen to any Joe Plumber who's credit cards suddenly started spending uncharacteristically

Tulsi's campaign throwing a tantrum like this just shows how poorly run a campaign she has. Hire people who know what they're doing and you don't have things like this happen.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by rwc » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #33

belltaco wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit certain candidates at the expense of others Which is still not illegal. Fox News does it all the time.

Would it be legal for Fox News to price political ads based on whether they agree with the bias?

It is not legal.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by fooey » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

taytus wrote: post #23

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

>Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe. I'm not saying that she is right but it's not hard to believe at all.

It's beyond hard to believe. It's laughable.

It's crazytown tin foil hat conspiracy theory level garbage to think a megacorp like google is out to get you personally

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by nova22033 » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:56 PM UTC

ex1710_01 wrote: post #52

belltaco wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit certain candidates at the expense of others Which is still not illegal. Fox News does it all the time.

Google is a monopoly. Fox News is not.

How is google a monopoly? Every day we have people on HN telling us how they switched to bing or DDG.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by slg » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:56 PM UTC

bufferoverflow wrote: post #34

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship. https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8 (note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

Project Veritas is in no way a reliable source on political issues. Both it and its founder have a long record of being exposed committing fraud.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by bufferoverflow » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:57 PM UTC

DavidAdams wrote: post #53

bufferoverflow wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated, which seems hard to believe How is that hard to believe? We know for a fact Google does political censorship. https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis... https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/25/breaking-new-googl... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ricI5t66cj8 (note these are fresh links just from the last 2 days)

James O'Keefe claiming something doesn't make it a fact. On the contrary, I'd be inclined to doubt the claim in that case.

You clearly didn't look at the links. O'Keefe is irrelevant.

Re: Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by frank_nitti » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 7:57 PM UTC

the_reformation wrote: post #36

cwkoss wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically motivated The subtext I'm reading is that the "major" political accounts probably have specific flags set by Google internally to prevent automated shut-offs like this. If Google is not applying these whitelist flags to all candidates in a fair and systematic fashion, it would effectively be utilizing their corporate resources to disproportionately benefit c…

It's totally reasonable for Google to draw the line somewhere in an exceptionally crowded presidential race. Imagine if anybody could get around Google's fraud controls by just declaring yourself a presidential candidate.

It is a bit disingenuous (to say the least) to claim that having to configure a few dozen presidential candidate's accounts is tantamount to letting "anybody" get around Google's fraud controls.

I could understand your line of reasoning if the figure was on the order of 100s or more. But when we are talking about less than 50 candidates, this is a ridiculous claim that comes off as a weak attempt to deceive your audience via false dichotomy.