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Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by binarnosp »

y4mi wrote: post #9
henrik_w wrote: post #4

No mention of climate change in the article.

I was talking about climate change with a co-worker on Monday. He still doesn't "believe" in it. "Nobody can know if it's happening" and "earth went through countless high and low temperature passes over the years. It's nothing special" It was a great example of today's reality we live in. It's truly an age of misinformation.

"Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming" by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway explains how the misinformation about climate change (and other topics) unfolded.

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Post by blablabla123 »

criddell wrote: post #48
gilbetron wrote: post #10

Not only broke it, destroyed it: +2.2C (+4.0F). That's incredible, in a terrifying, "well, I guess this is going to happen" kind of way.

If every disaster contains opportunities, what are they here? The obvious thing would be investing in green technology, but what else? Are HVAC equipment producers about to see a big uptick in sales?

Green HVAC equipment ;)

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Post by starbugs »

criddell wrote: post #48
gilbetron wrote: post #10

Not only broke it, destroyed it: +2.2C (+4.0F). That's incredible, in a terrifying, "well, I guess this is going to happen" kind of way.

If every disaster contains opportunities, what are they here? The obvious thing would be investing in green technology, but what else? Are HVAC equipment producers about to see a big uptick in sales?

Aside from the direct opportunities making the problem even worse (sell millions of ACs) presented here already:

This is a serious opportunity for mankind to learn from its mistakes and become a sustainable society. Let's hope it doesn't take more than 100 years and half the population to do so.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by jhayward »

jbob2000 wrote: post #83
kareeeem wrote: post #27

Climate change isn’t disputed by logic. It’s being disputed by the commercial entities that are protecting their $billion/$trillion industries who, otherwise, would have to face big losses. We all know the industries that are negatively impacting the environment. Their selfish stakeholders have managed to successfully create a reality distortion field of denial. This article, with lack of mentioning global warming, i…

The real problem is pension funds. And when you look at who's benefiting from the pension funds, you'll see another problem; People aren't dying and the pension funds are being asked to fund way more than they expected to. We have hoards of people who haven't worked in 40 years still getting paid out of a pension that expected to pay them for 20.

> We have hoards [sic] of people who haven't worked in 40 years still getting paid out of a pension that expected to pay them for 20

Citation needed. I don't know of many 90- to 100- year old people collecting pensions.

There are some professions, mainly police/military, that permit retirement after 20 years of service. Those pensions are managed to expect longer payout periods albeit using the actuarial stats of their members which are not the same as the general population.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by Brakenshire »

parsnips wrote: post #112
Brakenshire wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to normal variations around the long term average, these kind of temperatures would be happening once every 50 or 100 years, but they are happening now every few years. There’s only so many times you can roll a six before you conclude the die is loaded, and you should really start worrying when the die starts rolling sevens!

These temperatures are breaking 60-70 year old records. For example the prior Paris record was set in July 1947. And is about to drop to seasonal averages starting tomorrow (80s F)... You're quite wrong on this.

That's a good point for single day records, for cities, but not for longer term and larger scale anomalies. The more you zoom in on time or scale the more noise dominates signal, and the less effect any warming trend will have. Here are the yearly figures for the 100 km grid square which contains Paris, for reference:

https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/local-temperature-interac...

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by ashildr »

sangnoir wrote: post #64
criddell wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If every disaster contains opportunities, what are they here? The obvious thing would be investing in green technology, but what else? Are HVAC equipment producers about to see a big uptick in sales?

Vast swathes of land in Russia that have been frigid are becoming arable. Lots of formerly inland properties will become seafront all around the world - invest wisely!

Vast swathes of land in Russia are releasing gigatons of methane now. Methane has a way stronger greenhouse effect than carbondioxyde.

This is really terrifying. Google ‚Methans craters‘...

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Post by mempko »

mindslight wrote: post #46
y4mi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking about climate change with a co-worker on Monday. He still doesn't "believe" in it. "Nobody can know if it's happening" and "earth went through countless high and low temperature passes over the years. It's nothing special" It was a great example of today's reality we live in. It's truly an age of misinformation.

What is the personal benefit to believing in climate change? Now you get to feel bad about doing all the things you're going to do anyway? If you're going to go cognitive dissonance, you might as well go all-in. Lifestyle choices won't affect climate change as long as we keep fueling the machine that's chewing through the resources. "It's the economy, stupid" - the modern economy doesn't just depend on consuming many…

It's important because it frames what is happening now in a proper context. For example, in the USA, we are caging climate refugees, many children, in concentration camps. The media doesn't call them climate refugees, but that's what they are. If you understand this, then you understand the problem of people wanting to come is only going to get worse, and it's a moral imperative we let them come.

It's also important to you because it can help you decide where to work, where to live, and what to do.

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Post by gridlockd »

kareeeem wrote: post #27

Climate change isn’t disputed by logic. It’s being disputed by the commercial entities that are protecting their $billion/$trillion industries who, otherwise, would have to face big losses. We all know the industries that are negatively impacting the environment. Their selfish stakeholders have managed to successfully create a reality distortion field of denial. This article, with lack of mentioning global warming, i…

It's pretty short-sighted to blame individual companies for providing what the people want: Affordable energy and transportation.

You see what happens if you drive up prices for gasoline in France: People start rioting in the streets.

If you had gasoline prices like that in the US, whole states would stop functioning.

Also, most CO2 emissions are from countries where people are far poorer than in developed nations. Are you expecting them to become even poorer?

If you don't have a solution to these economic concerns, don't be surprised when world leaders adopt a "devil may care" attitude.

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Post by jcranmer »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #8
henrik_w wrote: post #4

No mention of climate change in the article.

I don't get why climate change is disputed. It's obvious that as society grows, we have increase CO2 output through record levels of burning fossil fuels. > Energy arrives from the sun in the form of visible light and ultraviolet radiation. The Earth then emits some of this energy as infrared radiation. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere 'capture' some of this heat, then re-emit it in all directions - including back…

Some of the most extreme assertions about climate change are strongly disputable or outright wrong (for example, even the current high-end estimates wouldn't set records for Earth's temperature--merely the hottest in the Quaternary). It's not hard for many people to go from "this theory is partially wrong" to "there is no validity anywhere in the theory."
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