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I thought I was being ‘blacklisted’, so I demanded to see colleagues’ emails

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You can generally do the same thing in the US for emails to/from public university addresses with a FOIA request. This seems kind of wild to me, but apparently it works.

Does FOIA apply to private companies? I thought it only applies to governmental institutions.

Re: I thought I was being ‘blacklisted’, so I demanded to see colleagues’ emails

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i feel for this person. my mother got blacklisted in her teaching profession, this stress triggered in her dormant traumas from her childhood, and she's been on medication now for 20 years due to these people pushing her over the edge with such behaviours.

no matter how good you feel about yourself, give others a chance, even if they dont 'gel well with you'. don't feel 'threatened' by other people who are talented, feel graced by their wits and try to grow from them instead of kicking them down.

lack of respect and integrity at its worst, it's an epidemic in our society.

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>Where my personality was called into question perhaps my working-class background, my northern accent, and my Aspergers could be a reasonable explanation. Easier to resort to such hypotheses than be self critical, I guess. Do we really fall in the category where one student with apparently decent thesis results gets ostarcized by her advisor AND the examiners, where no one in the faculty or comittee would stand for…

I am of two minds.

There are people who are persecuted because they are outsiders and for no other reason. A case in point is the story of Rosalind Franklin.

On the other side, some people are brilliant yet toxic. You can't have them work in a group because they will bring down the productivity of the group. You have to decide if they are so brilliant you will work with them anyway. I have had two experiences with this, one was successful and the other was unsuccessful.

In the successful case I sat the guy down and told him that I couldn't fire the entire team and just keep him because I needed more than what he could produce. He agreed. I paired him up with a woman that he respected and the team of two formed an awesome team. She handled all of the interactions with outside teams.

The second case was someone who was both brilliant and exceedingly insecure. No amount of counseling fixed his problem. No amount of telling him that he didn't need to insult people to get respect fixed his problem. Sigh. Sometimes you have to let people go.

At the end of the day - the telling part of the story is the cowardice of Dora's advisors. The fact that they did not take their jobs seriously enough to become her mentors leads me to believe that they did not do their jobs.

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post #57

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Whisper networks are less-powerful people warning each other about more-powerful people. People with power don't need to hide their communications so much because they are less vulnerable.

Have we learned nothing from Wikileaks? Quite the contrary! People with power rely on private/secret communications. And, without power, what is there to communicate, for what you say likely has no value . I am reminded of Napoleon's dictum: "the secret of war lies in the communications". Sun Tzu would disagree as well, having well documented the value of secrets and spies. "(private) knowledge is power."

Sure but I've never heard one of those referred to as a whisper network.

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post #39

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Doing this behind her back, and without recourse, refusing to talk about it to the person in question, basically the whole way this happened, does not shine a good light on the advisors here. Plus, you may have noticed, she wrote under a non-identifiable name (outside maybe people already in the know) and didn't name the people in question, nor the institutions. So yeah, she's pissed, IMHO rightfully so, especially s…

So personal recommandations should be disclosed ? That kinda goes against the point of trying to have an open discussion about a potential appliant. And what would the recourse be anyways ? What good would a talk do, since admittedly it's a person and not a work problem ? Do any good come out of people explaining how they despise your attitude, especially with high stakes, where no response will ever bring closure ?…

If she knew that her academic career prospects were being sabotaged by her advisor rather than having her mental health deteriorate while failing to pursue an academic career in her field, she could have pivoted to industry or a separate topic.

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I don't understand how that's not being self critical. On finding that they're not well liked they thought up aspects of their personality others might not like.

It's a list of things that others might dislike, which are not under their own control . Thus shifting the blame onto others rather than considering that one's own actions may be the problem.

They can't control what others dislike or control the having of those traits; they certainly can control what they do going forward though and this information is useful in shaping that.

I also disagree heavily that things are either under your control or the fault of others.

Re: I thought I was being ‘blacklisted’, so I demanded to see colleagues’ emails

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post #58

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Free will is an illusion and simply it doesn't exist. You cannot make either a choice or decision that's truly your own. Simply, you cannot without being effected by the system you're in. People don't choose the life they're born into and why does anything that comes after birth be assumed differently. The answer cultural conditioning and from religious ideology that has rooted deeply into society. The belief that go…

Let's suppose you're right and non-determinism doesn't exist. (Quantum physics apparently disagrees, but never mind that.) It doesn't matter. Treating people as though they have agency is still necessary, because how we treat them would affect their deterministic state function. If someone commits murder and we say it was only a product of their environment and they have no agency, therefore we shouldn't punish them,…

> Let's suppose you're right and non-determinism doesn't exist. (Quantum physics apparently disagrees, but never mind that.)

Quantum physics doesn't "apparently disagrees" with what I wrote.

> It doesn't matter. Treating people as though they have agency is still necessary, because how we treat them would affect their deterministic state function. If someone commits murder and we say it was only a product of their environment and they have no agency, therefore we shouldn't punish them, well, that's the sort of "choice" that, on a systemic level, causes more people to commit murder.

That's an arbitrary view because we haven't viewed a society that understands everything is cause & effect. I will assume a society of that nature would agree upon needing a rehabilitation modal of justice and not a punishment modal.

> Even if they have no "choice" in the matter -- especially then -- creating an environment in which murder has personal benefits outweighing the personal costs is societally maladaptive. And so it is with everything else. If we want people to give to charity and go to college and not steal from others then we have to act as if they chose whether or not to do those things and reward or punish them accordingly.

Once again this is an arbitrary view and without being able to observe a society that understands cause & effect. Stealing is an outcome from inequality of society & genetics is factored into the problem. A society understanding cause & effect would restructure because inequality becomes understood as the real causes for why bad events happen. Charity, going to college, and not stealing can only be viewed within the current system we live in but would be vastly different in a society understanding cause & effect between all members.

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post #82

>I was able to ask my PhD college, and several other institutions, to see all emails in which my name appeared in either the subject line or the body of the email. The scariest part is that this is apparently possible in countries under the jurisdiction of GDPR now (and possibly even outside of it). Your private emails talking about a third party might be exposed at the request of the said third party. Does no one el…

I'm pretty sure that this would only apply in the contexts of business dealings -- anything you produce from a business you work for should not be considered your private anything, it's work material you produced for that employer, and the actions became the employer's actions after executed.

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I wouldn't think an email would be considered to be inside a "database system."

Not to us, but its info stored in a structured way so... maybe legally.

I would hope not. How can one's demand for information supersede another persons right to privacy in their communications?

So will this come down to any email which passes through an officially recognized organization, be it government or corporation or educational, as open to inspection and possible litigation? Talk about an Orwellian nightmare

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