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Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by vgoh1 »

canada_dry wrote: post #86
Barrin92 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail? Do they also want SpaceX to fail? For me personally the treatment of their workers, their anti-unionisation efforts, and their misleading advertisement of the autopilot, together with Musks extremely off-putting public behaviour. And no I don't want spaceX to fail. >Why not save your hate for companies damaging democracy or workers rights, which seem like mor…

Like the saying goes: 'when someone shows you who they really are, believe them'. The whole Thai cave rescue really showed who Elon Musk is: an incorrigible sociopath who's shortcomings make it difficult to celebrate any success he has.

We need to stop this culture of taking single sentences and vilifying people over them. People get tired, they get mad, temporarily confused, and can be good people 95% of the time, and a bit of a jerk other times. But the internet never forgets, so we as a people need to learn to forgive a bit more.

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by neogodless »

jonplackett wrote: post #80

"His role cannot be understated" Is this a typo or another think you crazy Americans do backwards, like "I can hardly wait"

If his role is important, this should read, "his role cannot be overstated."

Just like people they don't care at all should be saying "I couldn't care less."

It annoys me, too!

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by snorkasaurus »

damon_c wrote: post #90
canada_dry wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the saying goes: 'when someone shows you who they really are, believe them'. The whole Thai cave rescue really showed who Elon Musk is: an incorrigible sociopath who's shortcomings make it difficult to celebrate any success he has.

Wait... I mean... he was kind of a jerk calling that guy a pedofile or whatever but, it was in the context of trying to save children wasn't it? Saving children is not normal sociopath territory?

It is when you push your own self serving bullshit solution on people who know better just so you can play the hero. Classic, even.

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by heymijo »

jaimex2 wrote: post #14
AlphaWeaver wrote: post #7

> His departure is the latest in a long string of high-profile executives to leave Tesla in the past year, most recently Steve McManus, a vice president in charge of engineering for car interiors and exteriors at Tesla, who joined Apple. Two other former Tesla executives, Michael Schwekutsch, and chief engineer Doug Field, have also left to join Apple. Not to understate the significance of Tesla losing Straubel, but…

BMW's CEO stepped down 2 weeks ago. Ford has had 4 CEOs in the last four years... not a sound from the media. The janitor at Tesla quits and its a top story about a company in turmoil.

> Ford has had 4 CEOs in the last four years...

I count two.

Jim Hackett: May 22, 2017 to present (CEO) Mark Fields: July 1, 2014 to May 22, 2017 (CEO)

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by josefx »

vgoh1 wrote: post #91
canada_dry wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the saying goes: 'when someone shows you who they really are, believe them'. The whole Thai cave rescue really showed who Elon Musk is: an incorrigible sociopath who's shortcomings make it difficult to celebrate any success he has.

We need to stop this culture of taking single sentences and vilifying people over them. People get tired, they get mad, temporarily confused, and can be good people 95% of the time, and a bit of a jerk other times. But the internet never forgets, so we as a people need to learn to forgive a bit more.

It wasn't a single sentence on a single occasion, he doubled down on the accusations repeatedly. He went as far as saying something along the lines "why do you think he hasn't sued me?" He got his lawsuit.

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by elisharobinson »

clouddrover wrote: post #72
elisharobinson wrote: post #57

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really though how many car companies have OTA updates

They all will. Volkswagen is doing it for its electric cars. But that level of connectivity is not necessarily a good thing: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29120/top-ota-expert-shows-how...

i wouldnt count on it bosh has a choke hold on any innovation in the auto software space , at this point its no secret that auto software is in the state it is because of bosch choke hold on the whole market .

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by clouddrover »

karambahh wrote: post #85
pasabagi wrote: post #76

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For my part, it's just that Elon is the paramount example of what happens when the ROI plummets, and there's an amazing amount of investor cash floating around. You see it in history: the victorians built a ridiculously over-engineered, insanely extensive rail network. It didn't make any money, but at the time, there wasn't really anything else to invest in with a reasonable return rate. So everybody went in on the o…

Would you have sources about Toyota factories being less automated than their US competitors? I've been told in the past that the key factor in Toyota success is their relationship with their suppliers. A top notch supply chain with just in time processes bundled with reasonable proxy stocks? Would love to read about their automation level compared to US or EU companies

Here's an article on Toyota's production lines:

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/26955/inside-toyotas-takaoka-2...

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by pasabagi »

karambahh wrote: post #85
pasabagi wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For my part, it's just that Elon is the paramount example of what happens when the ROI plummets, and there's an amazing amount of investor cash floating around. You see it in history: the victorians built a ridiculously over-engineered, insanely extensive rail network. It didn't make any money, but at the time, there wasn't really anything else to invest in with a reasonable return rate. So everybody went in on the o…

Would you have sources about Toyota factories being less automated than their US competitors? I've been told in the past that the key factor in Toyota success is their relationship with their suppliers. A top notch supply chain with just in time processes bundled with reasonable proxy stocks? Would love to read about their automation level compared to US or EU companies

> Would you have sources about Toyota factories being less automated than their US competitors?

It's kind of a cliche at this point - but a good start is 'The Toyota Way', which talks about developing people. I'd also be interested if you can find an authoritative source. I just have a lot of news articles - a good overview is this one in industryweek (https://www.industryweek.com/operations/tesla-vs-tps-seeking...).

The basic principle is somewhat obvious - automation is efficient, but inflexible. That often leads to machines sitting idle, or the overproduction of unsaleable stock. So it's a kind of poison chalice - it looks like you'll reap huge profits, but if your car doesn't sell well, you're screwed. If you invest in people instead, you can react to changing economic conditions.

Re: Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down

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Post by Lazare »

randomsearch wrote: post #22

Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail? Do they also want SpaceX to fail? Elon can be an asshat sometimes, and he oversells and is over-optimistic. But even if the short sellers are right and Tesla will go bankrupt (which, btw, does not equal failure in many ways), why are so many people excited about that? Most tech giants of recent times have done things I would consider to have made the world a m…

> Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail?

My feeling is that the overwhelming majority of Tesla critics do not hate Tesla, and do not want Tesla to fail. Rather, they see Tesla as a small, unimportant, poorly run company that gets far more press (positive and negative) than it deserves, and who respond by needling Tesla super-fans. The super fans, in turn, react by treating this as shocking, but it's not really. Tesla critics are treating Tesla like a normal company, and most companies are not particularly well-liked. Nobody cares if Amalgamated Widgets rises and falls except it's investors and competitors.

> Do they also want SpaceX to fail?

No. But also, Tesla critics, I believe, view SpaceX as a VERY different company. Tesla is just another car company making just another car. SpaceX is something else entirely.

If your mental model is "Tesla is like SpaceX", this probably feels weird to you, and the way Tesla gets covered in the press - as if it was merely a car company! - must be maddening. If your mental model is "Tesla is like Saab", this seems pretty obvious.

> Most tech giants of recent times have done things I would consider to have made the world a much worse place.

I would never dream of calling Tesla a "tech giant". It's a car company, it's not making very good cars, it's not making them very well, it's not making very many of them, and it's not making a lot of money off them. I am incredibly tired of hearing about Tesla. Even if it wins, the Tesla end-game is to be another big successful car company, and I don't care about big successful car companies.

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