Here's a rebuttal from a physicist https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/07/quanta-magazines-anti-qua...
The rebuttal takes a view which is close to my heart—but [Motl] puts it so viciously, dismisses without genuine inquiry or curiosity the intriguing claims of the article, and plays so much faster and looser with his ideas than the author he critiques—you can taste his contrition. Ball and [Motl] are probably both mistaken about what QD actually explains. Edit: fixed names
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#22Here's a rebuttal from a physicist https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/07/quanta-magazines-anti-qua...
For example, Motl objects to Ball’s The world we’re living in sure doesn’t feel quantum mechanical by quoting himself(!): some people keep on saying that it "looks like" there must be a classical mechanism beneath the quantum phenomena.
That’s a ludicrous misreading of the article. Ball isn’t claiming that nature is somehow secretly classical, he’s saying it is quantum but looks classical in everyday life. Ball is in fact making the same claim as Motl himself, if only Motl could see it.
Or for another example, Motl objects to Ball’s How do quantum probabilities coalesce into the sharp focus of the classical world? and insists that they do not in fact coalesce: Statements about big objects' properties may "look" certain because quantum mechanics may predict probabilities to be 99.9999% or higher [...] But quantum mechanics never allows the certainty to go to 100%
Again, Motl is in violent agreement with Ball! The whole thrust of the article is that wave function collapse is not a special process outside of known quantum mechanics, doesn’t depend on consciousness, and doesn’t require an observer. It’s a statistical process where the probability of seeing a singular, classical-like state will tend towards 1 as a system interacts with its environment and decoheres.
And there are plenty more such examples. It seems like Motl in fact agrees with the article, but objects to... the tone for some reason?
Or maybe he just thinks it’s trivial? If so, I don’t think that’s fair at all, as wave function collapse really is widely depicted as highly mysterious, in pop science circles at least.
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#23Here's a rebuttal from a physicist https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/07/quanta-magazines-anti-qua...
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#24As a layman I just can't get past the glaring reality of: we simply do not possess the means (i.e. equipment/tools) to examine/measure/control the fundamental elements of matter without utterly affecting the outcome in ways we are not able to control, understand or accurately predict. I don't believe there is any amount of quantum theories that will get us past this fundamental boundary.
There’s a deep philosophical question about whether we can every truly learn the real fundamental laws of nature, sure; but it certainly looks like we can get very very close, perhaps arbitrarily close.
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#25Re: Quantum Darwinism, an Idea to Explain Objective Reality, Passes First Tests
#26Here's a rebuttal from a physicist https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/07/quanta-magazines-anti-qua...
The rebuttal takes a view which is close to my heart—but [Motl] puts it so viciously, dismisses without genuine inquiry or curiosity the intriguing claims of the article, and plays so much faster and looser with his ideas than the author he critiques—you can taste his contrition. Ball and [Motl] are probably both mistaken about what QD actually explains. Edit: fixed names
QD as described in Ball’s article sounds very sensible to me, and Motl’s objections sound like he misunderstands the article and would actually mostly agree with QD.
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#27I can tell when I don't truly understand something by my ability to disagree, or make counter arguments. In this case it sounds reasonable -- that the probability distributions of the quantum scale somehow cohere because of a Darwinian mechanism. But if you told me, oh, actually the center of mass of the probability distributions is perceived as the real location, that makes sense too.
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#28I was quoted in this piece, and adapted some of my correspondence with the author into a blog post: http://blog.jessriedel.com/2019/07/24/faq-about-experimental...
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#30I was quoted in this piece, and adapted some of my correspondence with the author into a blog post: http://blog.jessriedel.com/2019/07/24/faq-about-experimental...
Are the actual papers available online? On arxiv.org?