Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone • Hacker News Board

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by thisisit » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:43 PM UTC

kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

Recently my employer has pushed for Okta Identity management. And somewhere in that plan they somehow thought appropriating employee personal phones was a good idea. Now we can't login to certain internal apps without a mobile device because Okta needs one time password/accepting push notification. And the otp/push notification should necessarily happen on a mobile device. Given that company hasn't provided any mobile devices to employees, everyone is forced to use their personal phones.

Any ideas on what happens in such cases?

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by xorcist » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:47 PM UTC

cj wrote: post #34

Our company uses G Suite's Advanced MDM on a G Suite Enterprise account. I administer its configuration. Unless I'm missing something, there's not an obvious way to "spy" on employees, which this article is claiming. Perhaps it's possible, but if it is, it would require a lot of deliberate effort to accomplish. For example, there's not an out of the box way to track employee location. There's not a way to track emplo…

Being able to push software installs is a pretty basic feature of MDMs. Is that not the case with G Suite?

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by Izkata » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:48 PM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #179

zippergz wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you, with a straight face, saying that you'd rather receive a PHONE CALL than a notification from an app that you can set time-sensitive notification methods for (i.e. DND overnight, etc.)? I'm not fan of getting any kind of work message outside of working hours, but I'd FAR rather let my co-workers send me a slack message that I can ignore and/or deal with when I feel like it than call me on the phone. No one at…

At least on iOS, Do Not Disturb covers phone calls, too. With the ability to set overrides for calls from Very Important Numbers. Voice mail exists as well.

Android as well, it can allow starred contacts through.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:49 PM UTC

thisisit wrote: post #201

kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

Recently my employer has pushed for Okta Identity management. And somewhere in that plan they somehow thought appropriating employee personal phones was a good idea. Now we can't login to certain internal apps without a mobile device because Okta needs one time password/accepting push notification. And the otp/push notification should necessarily happen on a mobile device. Given that company hasn't provided any mobil…

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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by benburleson » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:52 PM UTC

thisisit wrote: post #201

kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

Recently my employer has pushed for Okta Identity management. And somewhere in that plan they somehow thought appropriating employee personal phones was a good idea. Now we can't login to certain internal apps without a mobile device because Okta needs one time password/accepting push notification. And the otp/push notification should necessarily happen on a mobile device. Given that company hasn't provided any mobil…

Respond that you have no mobile phone to use for this notification.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by anticensor » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

benburleson wrote: post #205

thisisit wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently my employer has pushed for Okta Identity management. And somewhere in that plan they somehow thought appropriating employee personal phones was a good idea. Now we can't login to certain internal apps without a mobile device because Okta needs one time password/accepting push notification. And the otp/push notification should necessarily happen on a mobile device. Given that company hasn't provided any mobil…

Respond that you have no mobile phone to use for this notification.

Will not work here in Turkey.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by daveslash » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:56 PM UTC

I actually gave up my smart phone a year ago. I've been with a feature phone (Nokia 3310) for a full year now. My position at work is this: "Given that I'm at my workstation 85% of my day, if I'm important enough to need to check e-mail 'on the go' or outside of work, I'm important enough for the company to get me a second phone - one dedicated to work and work only."

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by joe5150 » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #112

supergeek133 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.

Expect to be fired. That’s, unfortunately, the labor market reality.

we're pretty close to full employment. lots of industries are job-seekers' markets right now. which doesn't mean that management recognizes this and wouldn't do something stupid like fire a good worker, but that doesn't have a lot to do with the labor market.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by mortenjorck » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 6:01 PM UTC

Maybe I have never worked a corporate-enough job to see this, but at all the tech companies I’ve worked at, the idea of requiring an MDM profile on your personal phone to access work email would be more or less unthinkable. I’ve known engineers to balk at installing a simple, no-permissions-required multi-factor authentication client; I can only imagine the revolt that would ensue were they asked to consent to remote management.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by harlanji » Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 6:02 PM UTC

thisisit wrote: post #201

kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

Recently my employer has pushed for Okta Identity management. And somewhere in that plan they somehow thought appropriating employee personal phones was a good idea. Now we can't login to certain internal apps without a mobile device because Okta needs one time password/accepting push notification. And the otp/push notification should necessarily happen on a mobile device. Given that company hasn't provided any mobil…

I ask for a phone if my duty requires it. If they won't provide it then they don't want the job done very badly and if they fire you then unemployment should cover it. Each granted claim increases their unemployment insurance premium if I understand correctly, so there is some disincentive to just fire you--it's probably cheaper to get the phone. (This is in California, SF Bay Area).