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Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by twic »

neilv wrote: post #169

Thinking ahead to the next time I need it (I haven't tested this), I was looking into current respectful options for people who are on-call in some way. Considerations included not interrupting personal time or reminding people of work unnecessarily, location privacy, certainly not doing MDM of personal devices, security simplicity, etc. The most interesting option was the old-school one-way radio alpha/numeric pager…

When my company wanted to issue me with a work phone, i looked for the most pager-like thing around. The only reason i would ever use it is to receive alerts when i'm on call, and to do 2FA to connect my laptop to the VPN, so i would like it to have small size, long battery life, and a loud speaker. I couldn't find anything at all like that.

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Post by algaeontoast »

This should also apply for work slack.

At this point, especially if I’m working at a company that isn’t a startup, I will not work somewhere that expects me to have slack available at “all times”. After hours if I’m not on call I simply do not respond.

For this reason I’ll never do dev ops work haha

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by twic »

eschneider wrote: post #148
kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

Nothing focuses the mind on sensible email retention policies like working at a company where all the email got subpoenaed.

And since discovery processes are often leaky, pPart of the onboarding at my company is the lesson that you shouldn't write anything in an email that you wouldn't be happy to have splashed all over the Wall Street Journal.

So, for example, we try to choose names for applications that aren't going to give people the wrong idea, eg don't call your market manipulation tool TurboMarketManipulator, call it EnhancedOrderManager.

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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

OrangeMango wrote: post #161
kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

If you use your home computer to RDP into your work computer, what would be the correct answer to the question? The "work" occurs on the company-owned computer, but you are typing on the keyboard of your personally-owned computer.

That's a good question. But as long as you don't save any files on your personal computer, it is just a transport device like a car that gets you to work.

I'm guessing the law isn't that forward thinking though. Maybe I should keep a <$200 mini-PC, just to RDP into work so I have no problem giving up that machine.

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Post by derefr »

ceph_ wrote: post #160
derefr wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on". Personally, I choose the opposite: you need to email me to tell me you want to call me (so that I’ll turn on my softphone app), otherwise you’ll just automatically go to voicemail (which will also go to my email.) I notice that with Gmail’s inbox categories, you only get push-notified when something lands in Primary or Updates; so as…

I can't believe anyone can handle having push notifications on email. I only read my email when I go to check it. For both work and personal. I have hundreds of rules for email filtering. With most mailing lists never hitting my inbox. But it's still way too much for individual email push notifications.

The other thing I do is to separate my personal and work email accounts. I’m signed into both on my phone, but I only get push-notified about personal mail. I want to know if a family member is in trouble; servers burning down can wait until tomorrow.

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Post by qrbLPHiKpiux »

OrangeMango wrote: post #161
kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

If you use your home computer to RDP into your work computer, what would be the correct answer to the question? The "work" occurs on the company-owned computer, but you are typing on the keyboard of your personally-owned computer.

Logically, to me, it doesn't count. But lawyers and courts have a real twisted sense of logic and will indict their way around this to get your data off of your personal device.

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Post by kevinmgranger »

OrangeMango wrote: post #161
kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

If you use your home computer to RDP into your work computer, what would be the correct answer to the question? The "work" occurs on the company-owned computer, but you are typing on the keyboard of your personally-owned computer.

The correct answer is whatever your lawyer says.

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Post by chipperyman573 »

stilley2 wrote: post #82
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

I recently got a new job where the email is completely locked down (only accessible on a networked computer or via the awful outlook web interface). It's been awesome not getting work emails on my phone.

Why can you only access from a networked computer or OWA? Is the desktop outlook client more privileged than OWA? (I've never used either extensively)

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by egypturnash »

zippergz wrote: post #164
lugg wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack, on my phone? Are you nuts? If you want me after hours you call. Thats the only option you have.

Are you, with a straight face, saying that you'd rather receive a PHONE CALL than a notification from an app that you can set time-sensitive notification methods for (i.e. DND overnight, etc.)? I'm not fan of getting any kind of work message outside of working hours, but I'd FAR rather let my co-workers send me a slack message that I can ignore and/or deal with when I feel like it than call me on the phone. No one at…

At least on iOS, Do Not Disturb covers phone calls, too. With the ability to set overrides for calls from Very Important Numbers. Voice mail exists as well.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by shalmanese »

tristor wrote: post #142

I work from home/remotely. For years I've followed a simple policy. I don't use work devices for personal use, and I don't connect my personal devices to any work accounts. I've never had an employer that's had a problem with this, and the most I've ever heard is comments about how I'm just inconveniencing myself because I carry two phones, two laptops. But the reality is, it's been extremely beneficial when I've had…

I love having a work laptop that only has work on it but I've never been able to have a personal laptop that doesn't eventually get all the work stuff onto it at some point.

What do you do if you're lying in bed watching a movie when you remember that you need to schedule a meeting with X for tomorrow at 11am? Do you get out of your warm bed and pull out your work laptop and add the calendar entry and then climb back into bed or do you just pause the movie, log in to your work calendar and make the entry real quick before resuming the movie?

The closest I've ever had to making this a reality was when my work computer was an iMac so I'd just leave it on 24/7 and RDP into it from home (I lived within WiFi distance of the office so all this was done via LAN). Even then, when the work stuff was going to take more than ~5 minutes, I'd still end up doing it natively from my home computer rather than deal with RDP lag.

edit: I also really struggle with what IM programs to keep on my work laptop these days. Medium of communication doesn't map cleanly onto work/personal contacts so I either deal with friends pinging me while at work or missing vital messages from people expecting a business response/having long professional conversations using a phone keyboard.

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