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I recently got a new job where the email is completely locked down (only accessible on a networked computer or via the awful outlook web interface). It's been awesome not getting work emails on my phone.
Same here. If I have to VPN in I’m less inclined to look at email outside of work.
I'm a remote contractor. Usually, if my customer wants me to install some tracking software (recording you're present in front of PC, tracking mouse/keyboard activity, etc) I agree only on one term: they need to send me a machine with this software so I can use it while doing work. I lose customers this way, though most of the time people agree to not have this kind of software involved instead of rejecting offer alt…
Tracking software?! I often have remote contracts and have never been suggested to install any presence or keyboard activity trackers. Sounds horrible. You are a professional, not a teenager. I think that would be such a red flag for me of how everything else is at that client that I would never agree to the contract in the first place. Since most of my clients allow BYOD I sometimes get asked to ensure I have antivi…
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At least if your org is on Office365 and doesn't have too restrictive policies, you can get your email over standard IMAP. There also exist some nice man-in-the-middle proxies which pretend to exchange servers that you've implemented the policies they ask for. I've got multiple "work" (one is a volunteering role) office365 exchange accounts on my personal phone, using [ https://sites.google.com/site/bikomobi/exchaine…
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No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.
Expect to be fired. That’s, unfortunately, the labor market reality.
Also, if the employee has very marketable skills, they may be happy to leave a job whose hourly rate has suddenly dropped.
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Exactly- if work doesn't pay, they don't get to play on my phone. I'd be willing to check work email sporadically, and it's unfortunate that doing so in any capacity means allowing an unknown admin "wipe my phone" privileges. Companies don't handle that stuff with any sort of finesse and mistakes happen. Ultimately email on a phone may be a moot point for software developers: We use more independent chat apps like Sl…
Slack, on my phone? Are you nuts? If you want me after hours you call. Thats the only option you have.
[1] https://newatlas.com/right-to-disconnect-after-hours-work-em...
[2] https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3...
This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".
This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".
No joke, we recently went to a BYOD model with no "assistance". I'm expected to be available 24/7 in most cases. So I'm refusing to be available until I get some compensation.
If you are highly skilled, you are highly in demand. Therefore, demand good treatment.
Tech industry compensation has never been higher: http://levels.fyi/comp.html
Google pays for on-call hours. You are credited with 33.3% time for each hour on call if you have a 30 minute response requirement, and 66.6% time for each hour on call if you have a 5 minute response requirement. These can be taken as extra holiday, or cashed out. [0]
[0] Among other public sources: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/41v0ol/i...
This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".
My company pays for my service but not my phone, so I'm in a gray area here.
I'm not saying that's unreasonable, but I've heard of employees getting caught leaking by communicating through cell plans paid for by the employer.
>When you add a work email address to your phone, you’ll likely be asked to install something called a Mobile Device Management (MDM) profile ...what? The Outlook app containerizes your email accout specifically so that you dont have to do this. Your company can remotely wipe your work account and only your work account. Of course MDM gives access to your phone - thats its whole purpose.
MDM gets applied if you want to access your exchange server with the default iOS apps because those apps don't have remote management built in. If you use the Microsoft apps, you don't need to have an MDM applied because those apps handle the remote management functionality themselves.
Adding an Exchange account to an iOS device optionally allows the Exchange client to enforce password and screen lock requirements, encryption, and allow for remote device wiping.
It does not have any access to device location, data, photos, contacts, or anything else you can think of outside of device passcode, encryption, and remote wiping.
An MDM profile is a completely separate thing from Exchange. Also, unless the iOS device is supervised (which has to be done at time of setup and would require wiping the device if you want to supervise one that's already setup) you're extremely limited in what you can do and see.
This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".
> If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If you're salaried then they are paying you for it based on the job requirements, it's part of the job and one of the things that separates hourly employees from salaried ones. Unless you're talking about the cost of your cell plan or device? But even then, a lot of companies will pay for your plan and subsidize part/all of your devi…