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‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by weeksie »

rlpb wrote: post #79
weeksie wrote: post #58

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The entire comment section is full of Indian bros reflexively inventing reasons why something like this is a put on in order to make India bad. Every comment section of any article that might put India in a bad light is. It's a particular brand of motivated reasoning, and I get it. But yeah India is not a great place for girls and women. That's changing bit by bit in the more advanced places but it's such a vast coun…

I agree with your statement in general (including the distinction between backwards regions and more advanced places), but I do think that India is doing much better than other countries in the region in this regard. It's only notable because India tries, unlike other countries that don't.

This is a fantastic point. Let's be real, Pakistan is hardly a paragon of virtue but you're not going to get any real reporting out of that country. The openness of Indian society relative to much of the rest of Asia is pretty amazing and doesn't often get credited well enough.

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Post by SJetKaran »

nuwandavek wrote: post #5

Wow! I just released a data story on Indian population with a section on "Case of the missing women"[0]. This has profound effects on a society like India, even 2-3 decades later! [0] https://numbersofindia.github.io/stories/population-06-2019/...

Nice work! I created a couple of charts illustrating similar ideas before (https://sainathadapa.github.io/blog/population-pyramids/). Minor request for change: In the graphs for population, density and fertility rate, you are showing the district boundaries, but it seems the underlying data you are using is for states isn't it? Why then show the boundaries of individual districts?

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by salawat »

nabla9 wrote: post #50
vinceguidry wrote: post #44

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Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification. Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. And if it's wrong enough, it will prompt one to correct it.

> Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. That's something we should be doing more. Even non-expert should read the study and not comment on news articles.

This type of elitism has no place in intellectual pursuits.

Think about it. If there is no expert in the room, then nothing is lost by openly trying to reason out the truth of the matter and seeing what sticks to the fly paper of reality. This is how new experts form.

If there is an expert in the room, they will be more than happy to point out issues, and attempt to offer points to guide the intellectual endeavor within the bounds of their expertise. This is also how new experts take shape.

The knowledge wielded by an expert is what makes them an expert. We call it expertise.

It is not the fact they are an expert that makes their knowledge expertise. The knowledge needs no particular person to prove itself useful.

An appeal to personal credentials as the primary determined as to the veracity of an argument is known as an appeal to authority, which is a very common fallacy.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by BubRoss »

simonh wrote: post #31
distant_hat wrote: post #14

Its a clickbait headline. Not saying that there isn't an issue with female foeticide in India but this study isn't it. There are nearly 700 villages in the district, and most of them are small enough to have Out of all those villages they just picked the ones which happened to have had no females. It is no coincidence, whoever did the study clearly knew what they were doing and cherry picked the data to sensationaliz…

Have you read the study? Are you qualified to evaluate the statistical methodology and have you done such an analysis? If so fine, but otherwise neither you nor I are qualified to make a statement like that. There does seem to be something going on. According to Wikipedia only 43% of the population of the region are female. If 63 million women are statistically missing from the Indian population, I think it's pretty…

> According to Wikipedia only 43% of the population of the region are female.

That is very different from the distribution of the sex of babies. Regions end up with skewed demographics for various reasons like distant factories, war, etc.

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Post by xiphias2 »

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #35
quaquaqua1 wrote: post #29

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132 villages giving birth to only boys for 3 months straight is probably a 0.001% chance of happening naturally 1,000 births (a random guess) with 50% chance of girl, never happening once? yikes

I know that was probably a random percentage, but for a different perspective a 0.001% chance of an airline crash would still result in an accident each day just because of the sheer amount of air traffic, and that's just for one of the world's more "exotic" modes of transport. In a world of 7 billion people things that should happen extremely rarely still happen every day/month/year only because the dice get rolled…

1/2^216 is 9e-66, so it's closer to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009%

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Post by xiphias2 »

sametmax wrote: post #73
JohnBooty wrote: post #8

I can only imagine that there are a number of secondary effects of creating a skewed male/female ratio. Simply put, there are not enough women to go around. I suspect this leads to lots of overly fierce competition for women. Women treated more as precious commodities and less as human beings. Men lacking experience dealing with women. A certain percentage of men being unhappy much of the time because finding a mate…

This may results in many terrible problems: - sexual frustration, which is already booming in India, could increase tenfold. Sexually frustrated males can lead to being apathetic or aggressive, none of which is good for society. - more competition means bigger delta between the winners and the losers. And they already have a large money gap. Making this difference wider can only build more social tensions. - not a bi…

> not a biologist, but I imagine this affects the gene pool, and overall (including social) diversity as well. -

I wouldn't worry about gene pool diversity in India (I agree with the first two statements though):

,,A 2005 study from Rutgers University theorized that the pre-1492 native populations of the Americas are the descendants of only 70 individuals who crossed the land bridge between Asia and North America.''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck

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Post by TeMPOraL »

iamshs wrote: post #67
weeksie wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire comment section is full of Indian bros reflexively inventing reasons why something like this is a put on in order to make India bad. Every comment section of any article that might put India in a bad light is. It's a particular brand of motivated reasoning, and I get it. But yeah India is not a great place for girls and women. That's changing bit by bit in the more advanced places but it's such a vast coun…

Comments are swarming with misdirection from Indians right now. Even if you cherry pick data, what even is probability of getting consecutive 216 heads on a coin toss? It is amazing that Indians here are acting as if female infanticide/foeticide is not a big menace in India.

> Even if you cherry pick data, what even is probability of getting consecutive 216 heads on a coin toss?

I think the accusation here is that what happened is someone asked a couple hundred people to do two coin tosses, then grouped together those who got both heads and called it a statistical anomaly.

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Post by wongarsu »

mruts wrote: post #75
wongarsu wrote: post #19

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It's not ideologically inspired though, it's simple necessity. How Western liberals feel about it doesn't seem relevant here.

I mean you could say that about almost every repressive and abusive policy: censorship, secret police, mass executions, etc

For me it's a simple "if we allow people (in India or China) to abort based on gender society can't continue to function". If it's necessary it doesn't matter if it's repressive or abusive (and I disagree that this example even is abusive, or particularly repressive, but that's beside the point).

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by weeksie »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #88
iamshs wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments are swarming with misdirection from Indians right now. Even if you cherry pick data, what even is probability of getting consecutive 216 heads on a coin toss? It is amazing that Indians here are acting as if female infanticide/foeticide is not a big menace in India.

> Even if you cherry pick data, what even is probability of getting consecutive 216 heads on a coin toss? I think the accusation here is that what happened is someone asked a couple hundred people to do two coin tosses, then grouped together those who got both heads and called it a statistical anomaly.

An accusation invented out of whole cloth.
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