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‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read the study? Are you qualified to evaluate the statistical methodology and have you done such an analysis? If so fine, but otherwise neither you nor I are qualified to make a statement like that. There does seem to be something going on. According to Wikipedia only 43% of the population of the region are female. If 63 million women are statistically missing from the Indian population, I think it's pretty…

Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification. Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. And if it's wrong enough, it will prompt one to correct it.

My point is it's not analysis. It's a completely unsubstantiated assertion of fact based on what's actually a wild guess.

The info in the article isn't a study, it barely even summarises a study, and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the commenter hasn't read the actual study. If so saying "this study isn't it" isn't simply an opinion, it's misrepresentation.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

#52
post #21
post #13

That's just mothers exercising their body autonomy rights. Unless it can be shown that they are being forced to abort, I really don't see a problem.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

It's assuming abortion. I doubt most families from those villages have access to a facilities to allow the procedure, not to mention the equipment to detect the baby gender in the first 3 months of pregnancy.

I'd imagine it's either very late abortion, or straight post delivery murder. Which is more problematic.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

#53
post #38
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

It's not the child. It's a fetus. It does not have rights that trump the right of the mother to abort. Also, if having a son is so important for them, there is a reason for that. We are talking about very poor people. Whole thing is about their material well-being!

But the mother would have most likely chosen otherwise given a chance.

The reason having a son is so important to them is that they're treated like shit and forced to work their ass off to survive.

None of this is fine, it all has to change if we want to go anywhere worth going.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification. Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. And if it's wrong enough, it will prompt one to correct it.

Are you saying this as a Ph.D. in nonsensical internet debates or as a layman?

As someone interested in improving the community by being inclusive.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Its a clickbait headline. Not saying that there isn't an issue with female foeticide in India but this study isn't it. There are nearly 700 villages in the district, and most of them are small enough to have Out of all those villages they just picked the ones which happened to have had no females. It is no coincidence, whoever did the study clearly knew what they were doing and cherry picked the data to sensationaliz…

Haven't actually read the study but not sure I understand your comment. Even if every village has only one birth, the probability of having no girls at random is 1/(2 700) which seems practically impossible. Perhaps there is something else that made you response critically of their methods?

He was saying that 132 villages out of 700 villages had no female babies.

> The 132 villages where no girls were born over three months have all been marked as part of a “red zone”, which means local data will be scrutinised more closely and health workers have been asked to be vigilant.

The "red zone" is not a single area, it's a black list.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

#56
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read the study? Are you qualified to evaluate the statistical methodology and have you done such an analysis? If so fine, but otherwise neither you nor I are qualified to make a statement like that. There does seem to be something going on. According to Wikipedia only 43% of the population of the region are female. If 63 million women are statistically missing from the Indian population, I think it's pretty…

Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification. Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. And if it's wrong enough, it will prompt one to correct it.

> Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification

IAAS (Ignorance As A Service).

No thanks.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

#57
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification. Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. And if it's wrong enough, it will prompt one to correct it.

My point is it's not analysis. It's a completely unsubstantiated assertion of fact based on what's actually a wild guess. The info in the article isn't a study, it barely even summarises a study, and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the commenter hasn't read the actual study. If so saying "this study isn't it" isn't simply an opinion, it's misrepresentation.

You're more than entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to tell someone to shut up because of it.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

#58
post #31

Its a clickbait headline. Not saying that there isn't an issue with female foeticide in India but this study isn't it. There are nearly 700 villages in the district, and most of them are small enough to have Out of all those villages they just picked the ones which happened to have had no females. It is no coincidence, whoever did the study clearly knew what they were doing and cherry picked the data to sensationaliz…

Have you read the study? Are you qualified to evaluate the statistical methodology and have you done such an analysis? If so fine, but otherwise neither you nor I are qualified to make a statement like that. There does seem to be something going on. According to Wikipedia only 43% of the population of the region are female. If 63 million women are statistically missing from the Indian population, I think it's pretty…

The entire comment section is full of Indian bros reflexively inventing reasons why something like this is a put on in order to make India bad. Every comment section of any article that might put India in a bad light is. It's a particular brand of motivated reasoning, and I get it.

But yeah India is not a great place for girls and women. That's changing bit by bit in the more advanced places but it's such a vast country with so many backward regions that the laggards will come along very slowly.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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post #24

I can only imagine that there are a number of secondary effects of creating a skewed male/female ratio. Simply put, there are not enough women to go around. I suspect this leads to lots of overly fierce competition for women. Women treated more as precious commodities and less as human beings. Men lacking experience dealing with women. A certain percentage of men being unhappy much of the time because finding a mate…

Looking at China, I think it's the opposite actually? By being the rare commodity, you get to dictate terms and be picky with a lot to choose from.

It doesn't automatically follow. There are also stories of women being bought like property from abroad and imported into China.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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post #38
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

It's not the child. It's a fetus. It does not have rights that trump the right of the mother to abort. Also, if having a son is so important for them, there is a reason for that. We are talking about very poor people. Whole thing is about their material well-being!

Pretty sure we should target those reasons which enable those with sons to have better economic wellbeing then. Your offspring's gender should not determine your economic potential unless you livebin a dowry system or only have a manual labor workforce
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