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‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by simonh »

distant_hat wrote: post #14

Its a clickbait headline. Not saying that there isn't an issue with female foeticide in India but this study isn't it. There are nearly 700 villages in the district, and most of them are small enough to have Out of all those villages they just picked the ones which happened to have had no females. It is no coincidence, whoever did the study clearly knew what they were doing and cherry picked the data to sensationaliz…

Have you read the study? Are you qualified to evaluate the statistical methodology and have you done such an analysis? If so fine, but otherwise neither you nor I are qualified to make a statement like that.

There does seem to be something going on. According to Wikipedia only 43% of the population of the region are female.

If 63 million women are statistically missing from the Indian population, I think it's pretty clear possible outliers like this need investigating, not denigrating.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by PasserBy2020 »

codr7 wrote: post #21
exo762 wrote: post #13

That's just mothers exercising their body autonomy rights. Unless it can be shown that they are being forced to abort, I really don't see a problem.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

Yeah, but this is about equal obligations. We are nowhere near it with men bearing most of the burden.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by patwolf »

Shivetya wrote: post #30
codr7 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

No. Before I get pummeled for that just be honest here. As soon as we state it is okay to abort for personal choice the discussion ends there. Why do we get to call in the woman's choice simply because we don't like the reason. It will get to be seriously interesting if DNA testing comes common place and women or couples decide to abort for reasons from sex, skin color, and if ever proven genetic orientation. You can…

I think that's completely intellectually honest to say that if you value woman's choice at all costs, then you can't really be too upset at this outcome.

You could also argue that this is basically eugenics--selectively breeding/aborting to get a desirable trait, which in this case is sex.

That's one of the reasons why abortion is so contentious. To some personal freedom and choice outweigh any negative consequence to society. To others the well-being of society outweighs personal freedom. It's the same reason why gun ownership and drug use is contentious.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by mcphage »

Shivetya wrote: post #30
codr7 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

No. Before I get pummeled for that just be honest here. As soon as we state it is okay to abort for personal choice the discussion ends there. Why do we get to call in the woman's choice simply because we don't like the reason. It will get to be seriously interesting if DNA testing comes common place and women or couples decide to abort for reasons from sex, skin color, and if ever proven genetic orientation. You can…

> As soon as we state it is okay to abort for personal choice the discussion ends there. Why do we get to call in the woman's choice simply because we don't like the reason.

It is incredibly common where you can do something for almost any—or no—reason, but that doesn't mean you can do it for a bad reason. For instance, in the US: a business can refuse service to anyone. But, that doesn't mean they can refuse service to someone because they are black. If you live in certain states, your company can fire you at will, for no reason whatsoever. But they can't fire you because you're a woman.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

quaquaqua1 wrote: post #29
anextomp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would still be possible to find a compact subregion of a large region where no girls were born. However, the fact that it was 132 villages makes this seem unlikely, unless the large region contained many thousands of villages.

132 villages giving birth to only boys for 3 months straight is probably a 0.001% chance of happening naturally 1,000 births (a random guess) with 50% chance of girl, never happening once? yikes

I know that was probably a random percentage, but for a different perspective a 0.001% chance of an airline crash would still result in an accident each day just because of the sheer amount of air traffic, and that's just for one of the world's more "exotic" modes of transport. In a world of 7 billion people things that should happen extremely rarely still happen every day/month/year only because the dice get rolled so often

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by not_a_cop75 »

distant_hat wrote: post #14

Its a clickbait headline. Not saying that there isn't an issue with female foeticide in India but this study isn't it. There are nearly 700 villages in the district, and most of them are small enough to have Out of all those villages they just picked the ones which happened to have had no females. It is no coincidence, whoever did the study clearly knew what they were doing and cherry picked the data to sensationaliz…

Honestly, it doesn't matter how sensationalist it is. It should not take major funding to have an informational campaign to let them know adoption is a real and viable option.

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by exo762 »

codr7 wrote: post #21
exo762 wrote: post #13

That's just mothers exercising their body autonomy rights. Unless it can be shown that they are being forced to abort, I really don't see a problem.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

It's not the child. It's a fetus. It does not have rights that trump the right of the mother to abort.

Also, if having a son is so important for them, there is a reason for that. We are talking about very poor people. Whole thing is about their material well-being!

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by rayiner »

Shivetya wrote: post #30
codr7 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a problem with aborting because of the "wrong" gender? I don't know if you got the memo, but equal rights is a pretty Big Thing lately. I'm pretty sure most mothers would have preferred to keep all their children, and a society without women isn't going very far.

No. Before I get pummeled for that just be honest here. As soon as we state it is okay to abort for personal choice the discussion ends there. Why do we get to call in the woman's choice simply because we don't like the reason. It will get to be seriously interesting if DNA testing comes common place and women or couples decide to abort for reasons from sex, skin color, and if ever proven genetic orientation. You can…

Well that doesn’t follow. Intent always matters. There are a lot of things that are legal if some for no reason at all, but illegal if some for specific impermissible reasons (firing and hiring come to mind, serving someone at a restaurant or hotel).

Re: ‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India covering 132 villages

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Post by maratumba »

distant_hat wrote: post #14

Its a clickbait headline. Not saying that there isn't an issue with female foeticide in India but this study isn't it. There are nearly 700 villages in the district, and most of them are small enough to have Out of all those villages they just picked the ones which happened to have had no females. It is no coincidence, whoever did the study clearly knew what they were doing and cherry picked the data to sensationaliz…

Haven't actually read the study but not sure I understand your comment. Even if every village has only one birth, the probability of having no girls at random is 1/(2700) which seems practically impossible. Perhaps there is something else that made you response critically of their methods?
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