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Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by w_s_l »

billfruit wrote: post #40
w_s_l wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what a privatized prison system has to do anything with the rest of your argument which seems to be more of a rant than anything. Democracy isn't new its older than communism. Democracy also took time to develop in the West. It's unfathomable to someone who has never been fed information that the Party didn't change.

I mean Chinese civilization, not just communism.

so communism is but an ephemeral and insignificant given the lengthy and turbulent history of China. It's only been around for roughly 70 years compared to the backdrop of many millenias.

Democracy has been in America for well over a 100 years, so it has china beat.

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by loyukfai »

w_s_l wrote: post #33

really worried for hong kong. CCP is shoring up support at home for an escalation in physical violence.

The establishment, or its agents, have sent out thugs to threaten the protesters.

The Hong Kong government thus far has failed to rein in the protests using the police force.

Situation is still fluid, but the thug thing may backfire. (or may it not)

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by dragonwriter »

vkou wrote: post #5
caust1c wrote: post #4

It's pretty surreal watching this conflict play out. I'm still shocked this is happening on the international stage and other nations are unwilling to take sides in the conflict. I wonder what happens when the tension comes to a precipice and China sends in security forces to "maintain the peace". I hope for Hong Kong and the global economy's sake, it doesn't come to that. Although it seems like that's exactly what t…

> It's pretty surreal watching this conflict play out. I'm still shocked this is happening on the international stage and other nations are unwilling to take sides in the conflict. Are you equally shocked that other nations are unwilling to take sides in the various political conflicts that we've lived through in the past decade in the United States? Generally, it's prudent, in the geopolitical arena, for nation stat…

> Are you equally shocked that other nations are unwilling to take sides in the various political conflicts that we've lived through in the past decade in the United States?

Other nations (and international bodies like the UN) have voiced fairly strong opinions on various internal US policy controversies in the last several years.

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by baxtr »

billfruit wrote: post #14
caust1c wrote: post #4

It's pretty surreal watching this conflict play out. I'm still shocked this is happening on the international stage and other nations are unwilling to take sides in the conflict. I wonder what happens when the tension comes to a precipice and China sends in security forces to "maintain the peace". I hope for Hong Kong and the global economy's sake, it doesn't come to that. Although it seems like that's exactly what t…

By how the West seems to precipitate trouble without no clear end game in sight as in Venezuela, Syria and other places, international actors getting involved can only mean moving farther away from solutions. There is a famous commencement address of Solzhenitsyn delivered at Harvard, I think in the 80s, illustrating how West seems to deeply misunderstand Eastern cultures, but it seems to me, we are where were then,…

So “other states” has now become “the West”?

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by ktln2 »

Don't underestimate the power of these state media. In China the government has almost complete control of every single media channels - social media, TV, radio and even chat apps. They can install whatever they wants into people's mind and the people won't notice a thing.

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by taobility »

ericd wrote: post #32
underthebus wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The PRC has never governed Taiwan yet essentially no governments call their imperialism what it is and tacitly accept their “unification” language. Taiwan is internationally recognised as being part of China. What happened is that the Chinese government of the time fled there during the civil war. The communists founded the PRC and the ROC government kept control of Taiwan. Since then the question has been who to r…

Pretty sure those other countries were/are internationally recognized as being separate countries.

can you give a list?

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by loyukfai »

caust1c wrote: post #4

It's pretty surreal watching this conflict play out. I'm still shocked this is happening on the international stage and other nations are unwilling to take sides in the conflict. I wonder what happens when the tension comes to a precipice and China sends in security forces to "maintain the peace". I hope for Hong Kong and the global economy's sake, it doesn't come to that. Although it seems like that's exactly what t…

I'd say no, deploying the garrison troops would hurt the HK economy, big time. It's not likely something China is willing to afford at this moment, she's got her hands mostly full already.

And the most radical of the protesters aren't getting what they want (independence) anytime soon, if ever. I'd say the CCP would keep trying to deal with it with domestic assets for the time being.

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by w_s_l »

loyukfai wrote: post #42
w_s_l wrote: post #33

really worried for hong kong. CCP is shoring up support at home for an escalation in physical violence.

The establishment, or its agents, have sent out thugs to threaten the protesters. The Hong Kong government thus far has failed to rein in the protests using the police force. Situation is still fluid, but the thug thing may backfire. (or may it not)

I think it has backfired already. The leadership is getting desperate. They cannot contain the protests and the spirit of Hong Kong.

What did they expect after a long period of democracy and western rule of law and capital wealth, that hong kongers just roll over peacefully like in Mainland???!

This critical short sight from the current chinese leadership is incredible! now it has 2 major international scandals (falun gong organ harvesting and uighur concentration camps) from which it faces a threat to its powerbase and its about to get another one if they use excessive force in Hong Kong. but who knows! they might not give a damn.

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by loyukfai »

w_s_l wrote: post #48
loyukfai wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The establishment, or its agents, have sent out thugs to threaten the protesters. The Hong Kong government thus far has failed to rein in the protests using the police force. Situation is still fluid, but the thug thing may backfire. (or may it not)

I think it has backfired already. The leadership is getting desperate. They cannot contain the protests and the spirit of Hong Kong. What did they expect after a long period of democracy and western rule of law and capital wealth, that hong kongers just roll over peacefully like in Mainland???! This critical short sight from the current chinese leadership is incredible! now it has 2 major international scandals (falu…

Actually, if the thugs only attacked the protesters, or even journalists, a lot of people wouldn't have given a damn.

However, they attacked even ordinary citizens in the restricted area of train stations and even inside the carriages.

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1469828-20190722.h...

This afternoon and evening, there were rumors that the thugs would get their hands dirty again in the western parts of Hong Kong, but so far (3AM now) it hasn't materialized.

But it's surely instilled terror in people's heart. The streets have become strikingly empty.

BTW, I'd have quite a few reservations about calling the HK political system a "democracy". But that's a topic for another day.

Re: China’s State Media Show Hong Kong Protest Images, Fanning Public Anger

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Post by loyukfai »

ktln2 wrote: post #45

Don't underestimate the power of these state media. In China the government has almost complete control of every single media channels - social media, TV, radio and even chat apps. They can install whatever they wants into people's mind and the people won't notice a thing.

At the same time, I do believe many people know they're being lied to, but few are able or willing to stand against the system.

Just look at the case of Liu Xiaobo.

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