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GitLab the company exists because of HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4428278 Ask me anything.
Is it because of local laws or other reasons ?
The first half of the article doesn't even name the business. The name of the business, GitLab, is hidden in the second half of the article. This is an example of a publication optimizing blindly for Google Search Optimization where they want to improve "Time on site" and other data by keeping the readers on the page as long as possible. It's frustrating. Google's algorithm needs to be updated to make it smarter othe…
Many readers don't realize that in 2010, Forbes drastically changed their website to include 1000s of freelance writers. This "contributor model" was put in place by Lewis DVorkin[1].
This is why the quality of articles on Forbes.com is very inconsistent. Other publisher websites have the same problem.[2]
EDIT: add examples to train the eye to the differences:
The following article has "Forbes Staff" as gray text next to author byline: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/07/22/the-...
In contrast, this Github article has "Contributor" as gray text next to author byline.
One can also go to the "forbes.com" main landing page and click "Editors' Picks" to see how articles from "Forbes Staff" and "Contributor" are mixed together.
[1] https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2012/what-the-forb...
[2] http://kontrary.com/2011/04/04/the-devolution-of-the-huffing...
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This post from GitLab has their official explanation of why they pay local rates: https://about.gitlab.com/2019/02/28/why-we-pay-local-rates/
That's a lot of spin on "to save money". They mention San Francisco rents, but they fail to mention all the advantages of living in San Francisco. Awesome for the folks in San Fran to have their lifestyle's subsidized. AND then they spread some FUD with "Remote companies using a standard pay structure are reportedly running into problems with their compensation plans" - nice and vague and ominous. Doesn't even mentio…
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>Should the person in SF be paid less because employees in originating country have lower salaries? So in your view it's fine to pay different amounts of money for the same work?
Why would it not be? It's a mutual transaction. If an developer in kansas is willing to accept less than the bay area worker, whose living expenses are twice as much, who is anyone to say that's not allowed? If you forced them to be paid the same then one of them will not be working for you even if they want to; either because you can't afford to hire them both or the bay area engineer can't live on the salary.
Because they did the same work?
>who is anyone to say that's not allowed?
I didn't say it's not allowed. I think it's poor business practice, and poor for society, incentivizing devs to stay in expensive areas instead of moving out to cheaper remote areas.
>If you forced them to be paid the same then one of them will not be working for you even if they want to; either because you can't afford to hire them both or the bay area engineer can't live on the salary.
That is speculation and I speculate you are wrong.
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FYI Gitlab quite readily publicize their salary calculator at https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-c... .
Thanks for posting our calculator. More context about us paying local rates is in https://about.gitlab.com/2019/02/28/why-we-pay-local-rates/
My take aways from the blog post: "if everyone is paid the same role-based salary, the company would not be able to hire as many team members" - obviously cheaper labour means more resources.
"If everyone is paid a standard salary, those who live in high-income areas would have less discretionary income when compared to their counterparts in lower-income communities." - that is the choice of those living in high income areas, and I don't see why those who make the financially sensible choice of living in a more affordable area should be penalised.
However, and this is quite important, given how high salaries at Gitlab are (based on the calculator), I see no issue with this kind of discrimination. I assumed the gap might be bigger. At the end of they day it has to be a win win situation. I will refrain from criticising this "issue" from now on as I don't see any ill intention in it. Keep up the good work!
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What if somebody in SF was employed remotely by a company in a poorer country? Should the person in SF be paid less because employees in originating country have lower salaries?. Having salaries based on location is fair, the same job that pays 120k$ in SF pays 70k$ in my country and that makes me in top 2% earners in the country. I could argue that i actually get more with 70k$ in my country than somebody with 120k$…
> Having salaries based on location is fair It's no more fair than paying based on lifestyle choices; if any employee in SF is providing labor worth $200k, then an employee in Bucharest providing the same labor is also worth $200k. The fact that the SF employee has higher expenses doesn't make their labor more valuable. Sure, they are paying more to live in a more desirable location, but that no more deserves higher…
The first half of the article doesn't even name the business. The name of the business, GitLab, is hidden in the second half of the article. This is an example of a publication optimizing blindly for Google Search Optimization where they want to improve "Time on site" and other data by keeping the readers on the page as long as possible. It's frustrating. Google's algorithm needs to be updated to make it smarter othe…
Im ok with this. It was my choice to read the article after all. Plus if this becomes commonplace people will adapt very fast.
GitLab the company exists because of HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4428278 Ask me anything.
I see that Gitlab does not currently hire in some locations (e.g. France, Italy or Spain). Is it because of local laws or other reasons ?
For a complete list see https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/faq/#country-hiring-guidelines
Would be interesting to know if they discriminate pay, according to where the person works from. Edit: Further down the page I saw: "Why they pay based on where team members live". That's petty.
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I like it that way, it reads like a story and it IS a good story. Not everything in tech or HN has to be to the point and a collection of facts, some narrativity is ok
This is what books and novels are for