Edge is the number one browser in the world for installing chrome.
Chrome is the number one browser in the world for installing Firefox.
That seems unlikely.
Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
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Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#102Edge is the number one browser in the world for installing chrome.
You shouldn't need Edge, Chrome, or Firefox to install each other. If you know the URL of the file you want to download, you could use curl or wget. (Of course, that won't work if you do not know the URL. But hopefully someone will tell you if you are unable to find it on your own computer.)
Assuming you're on a machine with curl or wget installed. I haven't used Windows in 20 years, but I don't believe it comes with either one by default.
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is "the same verse" as what? Bundling IE with Windows? The same as making proprietary technologies on open ones? The same as strongarming Gary Kildall? No, no it isn't "the same". Anti M$ comment is just whiny. This behaviour is part of SmartScreen, it's publicly known about, documented, optional. It's explicitly called out somewhere - when you install a new Windows 10 and it takes you through the privacy settin…
It's so weird to come in with a defense of "this is no worse than this long list of horrible things other companies have done, and other horrible things this company has done before!" I completely agree with you, this is no worse than many of those things.
That's not what I'm defending. I'm attacking "same old Microsoft" as a content-free, /inaccurate/, /ill targetted/ and /boring/ comment.
"Downvoters should explain" well that "defense" is my explanation. It's not the "same old" behaviour, it's different, what it is the same as .. is other current day, much loved technology companies.
Except for specific ways it's better in Microsoft's favour - this is more explicit and easier to opt-out of than Google Analytics, Doubleclick (owned by Google) or Google+ social media tracking beacons, for one, or "talking to someone who uses gmail" which is super frustrating, for another.
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
You shouldn't need Edge, Chrome, or Firefox to install each other. If you know the URL of the file you want to download, you could use curl or wget. (Of course, that won't work if you do not know the URL. But hopefully someone will tell you if you are unable to find it on your own computer.)
Does curl or wget ship with Windows?
Yes, apparently -
>curl
curl: try 'curl --help' for more information
>where curl
C:\Windows\System32\curl.exeRe: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're making a big assumption that ordinary users care if Microsoft knows what URLs they visit--how many of them use blockers or another technology to opt out of e.g. Facebook tracking?
Ordinary users don't know what a URL even is. But they do assume every site they visit isn't being logged by Microsoft, much like they assume their car's manufacturer isn't recording the places they drive to using GPS. "Users don't care" is such an intellectually dishonest argument when users aren't technical enough to understand the subject.
Maybe we should differentiate "users understand and don't care" against "users don't understand and don't care".
On one hand, a TOS usually describes privacy implications. On the other hand, there's no accountability that a user has understood or even read the TOS. Is it unreasonable to assume people will read the fine print?
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
you missed the obvious one (that is actually related to the linked edge issue): SafeBrowse. SafeBrowse gets ALL your traffic from most browsers.
Ah I was wrong about this!!! SafeBrowse uses hashes. Edit: never be afraid to admit your were wrong folks :) So it only gets a “potential list” of sites you visited. Wonder if the operators could aggregate the data enough to deanonymize things
The hash isn't even necessarily transmitted, and it's often partial hashes at that.
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
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#109Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ordinary users don't know what a URL even is. But they do assume every site they visit isn't being logged by Microsoft, much like they assume their car's manufacturer isn't recording the places they drive to using GPS. "Users don't care" is such an intellectually dishonest argument when users aren't technical enough to understand the subject.
Maybe we should differentiate "users understand and don't care" against "users don't understand and don't care". On one hand, a TOS usually describes privacy implications. On the other hand, there's no accountability that a user has understood or even read the TOS. Is it unreasonable to assume people will read the fine print?
> Is it unreasonable to assume people will read the fine print?
Unequivocally, yes. Even if someone hypothetically had enough time to read every TOS they've agreed to I would venture to guess the average user wouldn't be able to comprehend most of the terms[1] anyway. Disclosure documents are written by lawyers (corporate CYA) for lawyers (regulators, plaintiff's counsel, judges).
The law, however, disagrees with me entirely.
[1] Edit to clarify I mean "terms" as in the terms of the agreement