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Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal

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Reducing emissions isn't enough. ZERO emissions isn't enough.

Absolutely agreed. IMHO the only way we avoid the worst calamity is with a good 33% of our energy going to active sequestration of oceanic and atmospheric carbon after 2050. And I think the best way to get there is to have solar and wind and storage technology continue to beat the best predictions possible. But we also need to change the local as much as possible. Every single ton of CO2 we can avoid now is one less…

Yes agreed. People don't realize the magnitude at which we need to change our whole world to get there and how urgent we need to start that change.

It seems that efficiency isn't enough because people will just use up more energy. Growth and how we think about the economy is incompatible with what needs to be done.

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None of these will work because a significant portion of the population in countries with elective governments do not believe in climate change at all. This means they will viciously oppose all climate change action plans so long as they are allowed a voice. Authoritarian measures become necessary (even if I don't necessarily advocate for it) when a large portion of the population are too short-sighted to decide what…

That's what taxes are there for. E.g. in Germany we managed to implement a system to increase the share of renewables. That it wasn't perfect to begin with and was then screwed up but successive governments is a different story. What matters is that it worked. I have the impression that most people opposing clinate change are afraid that the will loose something by the necessary changes, their cars, their perceived l…

Hallo Leute. Believe me I would really like nothing more than for you to be right when you write:it worked The share of renewables may have risen, but at huge costs, and most importantly the installed capacity of non renewable plants has not been reduced, mostly because of intermittency of renewables. The net result: all the plants, just with lower utilisation. For nuclear this is a tragedy because the marginal costs of production are minimal, lower utilisation just hits profitability, which may indirectly be raising risks. For coal, well just look up how much the Energiewende Germany still mines... More on this here: https://jancovici.com/en/energy-transition/societal-choices/...

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The amount of emissions reduced by these acts, multiplied by the tiny portion of the society that actually bothers to do these, is so insignificant compared to overall carbon emissions that it may as well be a rounding error. I use to believe doing my part helps the planet -- I still try to be as environmentally-conscious as possible, but I no longer believe it has an effect on the fate of our society. What one/dozen…

rounding errors accumulate unlike zeros I know very well that people consumption aren't the main polluting factor but we.. are the people, we can divert part of the cycle

Campaigning and voting in elections are several orders of magnitudes more effective than paper straws or reusable shopping bags.

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None of these will work because a significant portion of the population in countries with elective governments do not believe in climate change at all. This means they will viciously oppose all climate change action plans so long as they are allowed a voice. Authoritarian measures become necessary (even if I don't necessarily advocate for it) when a large portion of the population are too short-sighted to decide what…

That's what taxes are there for. E.g. in Germany we managed to implement a system to increase the share of renewables. That it wasn't perfect to begin with and was then screwed up but successive governments is a different story. What matters is that it worked. I have the impression that most people opposing clinate change are afraid that the will loose something by the necessary changes, their cars, their perceived l…

Increasing taxes is exactly what people would oppose, and a party that promises to scrap/not implement the tax will take opportunity to capture votes. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

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There is something that you can do. Advocate that governments cut down on soot emissions. This accounts for a significant portion of the current temperature rise in the Arctic -- but, most importantly -- an unknown amount of the loss of snow and ice cover. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-track-... Unfortunately, this form of carbon (soot) is not as useful for funds transfer... Between cutting do…

On the other hand it's a fix with a limited potential, and an investment in coal plants. Usually many coal advocates try to sugar coat "clean coal".

Re: Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal

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The article shows a graphic of year round shipping lanes by 2075 That seems like an un-dire consequence of the ice being gone What am I missing? I should put a downpayment on beach front property in Nevada?

Just don't buy any property in Miami

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Also, subscribe to bury CO2: https://www.climeworks.com/

That looks more advanced than I would have expected. Do you have any details on the project beyond what’s on their site? I’d be interested to know if this can be scaled up if societies started investing in it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/magazine/climeworks-busin...

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Advocate that governments cut down on soot emissions. i.e. vote. There are extremely important elections coming up in several states in November that will indirectly decide who controls Congress for the next ten years. Voting in this off-year election, especially if you live in Virginia can make a material difference in how the United States responds to this crisis.

Voting won't help in China, and most democratic countries have scrubbers on coal plants and tend to be phasing out coal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/climate/epa-coal-power-sc...
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