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“Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

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Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

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I think people think the "Merry Christmas $name" email is not spam (it looks like a message from a friend), so they open and read. "Happy Holidays" is something that only people trying to sell you something say, so you mentally filter that email. The conversion rate is just a depressing example of how people will buy anything you tell them to. Once you get people to read your email, you'll much more likely to convert…

While I very much agree with your sentiment (email marketing is usually a bad thing ), this article seems like a small example of "psychological hacking" and I hate to admit how interesting this sort of thing really is. It frightens me to know that there are people who spend as much time optimizing the performance of their marketing messages as we do on algorithms. The key difference (at least this is what I tell mys…

If you keep thinking that way, you're doing yourself a great disservice. No matter _how_ great your algorithms are, without letting people know about it, you won't sell anything.

Like everywhere else, 90% of everything is crap and "marketing" is no exception, but how many bingo cards do you suppose Patrick would have sold if he wasn't greatly skilled at some oft-disparaged disciplines like SEO and email marketing?

Marketing done wrong is just as useless as all the programming done wrong you laugh at on Daily WTF. If you think you can run a profitable startup while religiously _not_ doing "marketing", I think you're wrong. I'd love to hear how you pitch that philosophy to investors though....

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#42
post #38
post #5

I think people think the "Merry Christmas $name" email is not spam (it looks like a message from a friend), so they open and read. "Happy Holidays" is something that only people trying to sell you something say, so you mentally filter that email. The conversion rate is just a depressing example of how people will buy anything you tell them to. Once you get people to read your email, you'll much more likely to convert…

I sold a few hundred dollars of BCC with an email whose subject line was "Merry Christmas from Bingo Card Creator" It went to somewhere like 1,500 teachers who had previously expressed an interest in playing educational bingo and asked for a monthly email newsletter reminding them about activities they would probably like. The content is pretty predictable: it is almost Christmas, you're busy, here's something which…

Like I said, I don't doubt that it's effective. I, 0.001% of your non-userbase, don't like it.

I don't care if people spam my grandma. Just don't spam me!

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like the author of this post try to abuse my attention, and that is not OK with me. What does 'abuse my attention' mean to you? Is it unsolicited (spam) email, or just any form of marketing/promotion in general? This is an important point to address for startup founders who often rely on obtaining and nurturing attention relationships with their users.

It's about control. With email, I can't control what I receive. If I want to unsubscribe from your newsletter, I'm at the mercy of your site. That sucks. If you want to send me an email because you came up with a message just for me, wonderful! If you want me to ready your form letter that you send to 100,000 people and that I didn't really ask for, fuck you and fuck your conversion rate. Sending me email is a gift;…

The kind of people that most e-mail newsletters appeal to are probably the ones that also don´t know how to use syndication feeds. I know my parents (and I´m assuming more of their generation) love getting various store advertisements and so forth through e-mail newsletters and actually look at nearly every one; RSS would probably be more useful, but my dad has never caught on to the format for other stuff. Putting it in Thunderbird like his e-mail works for him, but there is no real content he´s interested in.

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like the author of this post try to abuse my attention, and that is not OK with me. What does 'abuse my attention' mean to you? Is it unsolicited (spam) email, or just any form of marketing/promotion in general? This is an important point to address for startup founders who often rely on obtaining and nurturing attention relationships with their users.

It's about control. With email, I can't control what I receive. If I want to unsubscribe from your newsletter, I'm at the mercy of your site. That sucks. If you want to send me an email because you came up with a message just for me, wonderful! If you want me to ready your form letter that you send to 100,000 people and that I didn't really ask for, fuck you and fuck your conversion rate. Sending me email is a gift;…

> What's interesting is that newsletters would be better-implemented as RSS/Atom feeds... but nobody ever does that. Why? Because nobody would actually subscribe. Makes you wonder, doesn't it.

Wonder about what? 99% of the population have no idea what an RSS feed is, and the other 1% largely don't use them.

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#45
post #4

And I bet if you sent 'Happy Hanukkah' vs. 'Happy Holidays' you'd get much more traffic from Jewish recipients. Repeat with any holiday specific to a group.

I know about five Jewish families that also celebrate Christmas as a non-religious holiday--the only Jewish families I know. I´d say the secular Christmas holiday is common enough in the American culture to not offend all that many people.

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The conversion rate could be much better because people rarely see Merry Christmas any more. I'd have bought something from Walmart if they just said 'Merry Christmas' over 'Happy Holidays'. I'm sorry, I'm not celebrating 'happy holidays' I'm celebrating mother fucking Christmas. I'm not religious, it's just the goddamn holiday. I don't say 'happy holidays' to a Jew, because it's flat out rude . They're Jewish, it's…

So if it's before/during Hannukah and you're not sure if they're Jewish or not... Oh, and what if you're talking to a Pagan? Do you identify them by the sacrificial blood they are so clearly wearing?

I usually detect my Pagans with a divining rod, I find it the much more applicable way. Similarly I detect Jews by throwing ham at people and judging their reaction, it becomes a little difficult with the Arab Israelis, but you can judge them by carrying around a selection of Halal non-Kosher products.

Note: This method isn't 100% accurate due to the lack of verified studies into the field of divination, and the fact that a large subset of people would hit you if you pelt them with seemingly random foods.

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like the author of this post try to abuse my attention, and that is not OK with me. What does 'abuse my attention' mean to you? Is it unsolicited (spam) email, or just any form of marketing/promotion in general? This is an important point to address for startup founders who often rely on obtaining and nurturing attention relationships with their users.

It's about control. With email, I can't control what I receive. If I want to unsubscribe from your newsletter, I'm at the mercy of your site. That sucks. If you want to send me an email because you came up with a message just for me, wonderful! If you want me to ready your form letter that you send to 100,000 people and that I didn't really ask for, fuck you and fuck your conversion rate. Sending me email is a gift;…

Don't ask to be emailed, and you won't get emailed.

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#49
One problem: you did this test on Dec 21, well after Hanukkah had passed (it was December 1-9 this year).

So for a big portion of the folks who are supposed to appreciate your PC-ness you missed the holiday by almost a month. Hardly surprising the remaining segment liked "Merry Christmas" better.

Re: “Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy Holidays" - nearly double the conversion rate.

#50
What the writer is referring to is the "Click Through Rate". A "conversion" is when the user takes an action post click (submits info, downloads, purchases, etc.).

He also incorrectly calculate the CTR. The CTR on an email campaign is clicks divided by opens. He divided clicks over sends, which since fewer people opened the "Happy Holidays" email, fewer would have naturally clicked. "Merry Christmas" still performed better, but not at the rates he's suggesting.

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