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Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by PhasmaFelis » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

donkeyd wrote: post #24

userbinator wrote: post #16

At all the places I've worked at, a stranger would not have made it far past the front entrance without being stopped by security, or even been able to enter the building at all (access cards, etc.) Maybe it's a cultural difference, or does the tech industry just have a much higher concern for securing offices?

At both places I work at right now, this scenario could easily happen. The lobbies are open and only the elevators and stairs have access cards. Actually, most places I've worked at were like this. However, I can't imagine setting fire to the lobby would kill 20+ people in any of these places, since they all have many emergency exits. To me the craziest part of this story is the amount of destruction this person caus…

IIRC, the arsonist set fires in all the emergency stairwells.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Kaiyou » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

mrpara wrote: post #142

Kaiyou wrote: post #136

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The shows that got them famous have implied homosexuality. They also made other stuff, but Hyouka isn't exactly the first thing people think of when talking about KyoAni. Also, Hibike definitely falls into the implied homosexuality category. I've got a friend who only watches it for this reason. It's true that you can trace their change further back, but at least they did Haruhi until 2010. Since then they completely…

I haven't watched Hibike, but to my understanding the tv series has a lot of implied homosexuality while the movie is straightforward heterosexual romance. I also disagree that the shows that got them famous are the ones with homosexuality. They were already plenty famous after Clannad and Haruhi, and Koe no Katachi is at least as high-profile as Free or Maid Dragon. Let's agree to disagree on this one.

Anime fans don't have that long of a memory, because most anime fans drop out of the fandom after three to five years. So while I agree that they were famous for those shows back in those days, it's also a reality that the current generation of fans most likely doesn't even know something like Clannad exists. KyoAni is currently famous for slice-of-life shows with implied homosexuality.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by GhostVII » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:22 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #93

Razengan wrote: post #65

Very depressing to see news like this from a place like Japan that's generally well regarded for its safety and peacefulness, especially against a target like an animation studio, that has only ever provided joy to people. They did not even produce anything controversial as far as I can tell. The glaring issue here seems to be the death threats they received prior to this attack. That should have been taken more seri…

> well regarded for its safety and peacefulness Here, dig deeper: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201904170050.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.htm... https://web.archive.org/web/20190421032136/http://japaneseru...

I mean I agree with you to some degree, but this is probably not the best place for that kind of discussion, kind of derailing the original comment.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Kaiyou » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:24 PM UTC

ohithereyou wrote: post #148

Kaiyou wrote: post #122

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KyoAni drastically changed around 2010, after the success of K-On. They also weren't involved in the last season of Full Metal Panic (2017). What they are now famous for are slice-of-life shows with lots of implied homosexuality, both girl-girl and boy-boy.

Side question: What's wrong with making money from implied homosexuality?

Why do you assume there's something wrong with implied homosexuality, but not with slice-of-life? Both are quite common in anime. Not sure why you would single that one aspect out.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by danielg6 » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:27 PM UTC

ohithereyou wrote: post #148

Kaiyou wrote: post #122

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KyoAni drastically changed around 2010, after the success of K-On. They also weren't involved in the last season of Full Metal Panic (2017). What they are now famous for are slice-of-life shows with lots of implied homosexuality, both girl-girl and boy-boy.

Side question: What's wrong with making money from implied homosexuality?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queerbaiting

“Queer fans have reacted with concern and anger to an identity they consider defining being used as a mere marketing ploy, a plaything for creatives, a mark of "edginess", or a commodity.”

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by sixQuarks » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:28 PM UTC

brlewis wrote: post #104

sixQuarks wrote: post #59

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I may not agree with you, but I do appreciate your viewpoint. I think you bring up valid points, and are being downvoted undeservedly.

The comments deserve all the downvotes they get and more, on two levels. On the moral level, they value human life less than copyright. On the intellectual level, they appeal to the idea of "valuing principles" while simultaneously throwing away the concept of principles because the universe doesn't obviously value them.

That’s your opinion though. There are no hard and fast rules, what we think is reality may not even be so. What if we’re living in a simulation and there are unlimited respawns? Is that not a situation where principles may be valued more than “life”? I’m just saying think outside the box, just because you don’t agree with an idea, doesn’t mean it’s “wrong”. All I’m saying is let’s not try to censor ideas.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by SolaceQuantum » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:28 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #137

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #61

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The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger. If one's morals justifies one to kill when one's own life or others' lives are not in danger, then they are mentally ill by our societ…

"The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger." I guess all those soldiers who invaded Iraq, for example, were mentally ill, as were the politicians who ordered them to. As were al…

Note that my specification is that they are choosing to kill with no other lives, including their own, in danger.

War is a contested topic in society, because of the ethical concerns above.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by kara_jade » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:37 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #4

My favourite Anime of All time, Full Metal Panic were produced by Kyoto Animation. If you are are into Robot / Tech Anime it is well worth a watch, I simply felt in love with Chidori Kaname, female protagonist of the series, partly because the male protagonist is a ( Real ) nerd, and it is what some of the nerds first girl friend would act in real world. Its Companion Series Full Metal Panic Fumoffu is also hilarious…

The first season of Fullmetal Panic was produced by Gonzo. While not bad, the (animation) quality noticeably increased after Kyoto Animation took over. Definitely a great show.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by pmoriarty » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:38 PM UTC

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #157

pmoriarty wrote: post #137

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"The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger." I guess all those soldiers who invaded Iraq, for example, were mentally ill, as were the politicians who ordered them to. As were al…

Note that my specification is that they are choosing to kill with no other lives, including their own, in danger . War is a contested topic in society, because of the ethical concerns above.

Plenty of military actions resulting in death have been taken when there were no lives in danger.

A guard may kill an escaping prisoner even when that prisoner is not in jail for any violent crime and is of no danger to anyone's life.

An executioner may kill a prisoner even when that prisoner is of no danger to anyone, as that prisoner may instead be kept in jail for the rest of their life and might have been non-violent to begin with.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by falcolas » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

buzer wrote: post #125

falcolas wrote: post #78

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> Why though?! There's not a ton of money in the Anime industry. Especially over-seas, since translation is a very labor intensive and largely manual process. There's also not a guaranteed audience for an anime. They have to rely on fans of the existing works (typically light novels) to view the (often drastically different) animes. I've seen a few of my favorite series get dropped due to being too niche.

> Especially over-seas, since translation is a very labor intensive and largely manual process. Subbed translations at least previously were not usually very labor intensive if you didn't try to do heavy localization or typesetting everything (I remember someone translating every single book name in some bookcase). Fansubs managed to do pretty good job with just about 1MD worth of effort per episode (~20x length of t…

That’s a fair point on the subtitling. I do know that translations for Japanese dialog can differ in difficulty - there are some more esoteric writing/speaking dialects which can take a significant amount of effort to turn into English dialog (for example, “The Irregular in Magic High School” novels have very poor official translations, largely due to how it was written in Japanese).

As for dubbing, there are instances where animes are “simultaneous dubbed” for international release. A recent example is Shield Hero.