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Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by s9w »

zaarn wrote: post #59
s9w wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think free speech is usually seen in a non-national context in a sense of "you can say whatever you want. No exceptions". So Germany does not have that at all. "Hatespeech" on top of the "legal"/national definitions for what is sometimes also called free speech (but isn't at all) are just contraptions to censor people, usually the political opposition.

If "you can say whatever you want. No exceptions" is your definition of free speech it doesn't exist. ANYWHERE. Not even in the US. All speech in all countries has restrictions. The US has slander, for example, which can certainly land you fines or jail time. Lying in certain circumstances too. >are just contraptions to censor people, usually the political opposition. Which political opposition is being censored in G…

I didn't say that ideal exists anywhere. The US certainly gets much closer than any European countries I know.

Many German citizens have been raided, sued, fined, jailed or otherwise silenced because they criticized the current government, in particular the political decisions since 2015. Many people are opposed to that. And most of them are not of the group you mentioned.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by mhd »

panpanna wrote: post #42
mhd wrote: post #17

I'm quite surprised by the rhetoric surrounding this, coming from a few posters. Much less Stallman-esque (or even ESR-ish) and closer to Gamergaters, /pols and other alt-right-adjacent folks.

Because this sort of stuff really triggers certain people.

Not surprised that certain people are outraged about this, more that there's a significant part of those people in the "free software" community. I thought that ESR is pretty much the end of the spectrum there and that the younger AnCaps don't care that much about GNU.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by zaarn »

s9w wrote: post #61
zaarn wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If "you can say whatever you want. No exceptions" is your definition of free speech it doesn't exist. ANYWHERE. Not even in the US. All speech in all countries has restrictions. The US has slander, for example, which can certainly land you fines or jail time. Lying in certain circumstances too. >are just contraptions to censor people, usually the political opposition. Which political opposition is being censored in G…

I didn't say that ideal exists anywhere. The US certainly gets much closer than any European countries I know. Many German citizens have been raided, sued, fined, jailed or otherwise silenced because they criticized the current government, in particular the political decisions since 2015. Many people are opposed to that. And most of them are not of the group you mentioned.

I know plenty of people who critized the government for decisions around and after 2015, publicly even, and none of them were raided, sued, fined or jailed for it.

Maybe these people are actually in the groups and just employ the standard tactic of claiming to be a lone wolf when asked.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by redder2 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #28
redder2 wrote: post #15

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I'm politically left leaning, and despite all of the following quotes from your rant, I don't think you're a Nazi. They literally call everyone a Nazi nowadays who is not aligning their views with them They call gay people, Jews ... Nazis They Dox and harass people who dare to disagree with pumping up children with hormones for gender change or those who do not want to have late term abortions legalized A lot of what…

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Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by kthejoker2 »

lvturner wrote: post #41
inawarminister wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you support the same thing done by, say, Christian bakers not providing a customer for religious-ideological reason?

I'll bite - but first some caveats. I didn't follow the case and I'm only tangentially aware of it, I don't know who said what to whom and to how any of it is handled. I can't say with 100% certainty knowing the full explanation of the case that I would side with either the Christian bakers or the customer. However though, it should be within a business owners right to deny someone access to a paid service or good on…

Even if that business receives public benefits (directly or otherwise)?

Homosexuals pay taxes for streets and cops and electricity, under threat of violence.

Using those taxpayer services to then deny some taxpayers the same service you provide others is the functioeconomical equivalent of slavery.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by s9w »

zaarn wrote: post #63
s9w wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that ideal exists anywhere. The US certainly gets much closer than any European countries I know. Many German citizens have been raided, sued, fined, jailed or otherwise silenced because they criticized the current government, in particular the political decisions since 2015. Many people are opposed to that. And most of them are not of the group you mentioned.

I know plenty of people who critized the government for decisions around and after 2015, publicly even, and none of them were raided, sued, fined or jailed for it. Maybe these people are actually in the groups and just employ the standard tactic of claiming to be a lone wolf when asked.

> I know plenty of people who critized the government for decisions around and after 2015, publicly even, and none of them were raided, sued, fined or jailed for it.

That doesn't mean that these things don't happen. Just one recent example:

https://www.einprozent.de/blog/meinungsfreiheit/friedlicher-...

or this:

https://www.vice.com/de/article/8xe7jg/kuchen-tv-volksverhet...

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by majewsky »

Smithalicious wrote: post #34

The message here seems clear: F-Droid is not a free platform. The software on it might be free software, but it is curated by F-Droid. If you wish to exercise your free speech, you should use another platform, since F-Droid can and will censor it. I for one am deciding now never to use F-Droid for anything important enough that it risks being censored. I do not use Gab myself, but I think such platforms are very impo…

Exactly. Most people don't agree with the principle of "free speech without any asterisks". Die-hard free speech advocates are a fringe group (which is why they need to use a fringe service like Gab).

(Side-note: Of course, you can probably come up with a poll where a majority of people respond that they support free speech, but you know how easy it is to skew polls. Asking for "Yes" or "No" does not make people consider the ramifications of their answer.)

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by majewsky »

gdhbcc wrote: post #44

What's a free f-droid alternative?

Well, F-Droid already is the free alternative (to the Play Store). Maybe we'll see another FOSS app store pop up because of this, but I won't count on it. People may start their own app store projects, then quickly cave once they realize what a large undertaking they signed up for.

Re: F-Droids statement on their ban of Gab

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Post by Semaphor »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #12
Semaphor wrote: post #10

Can we get the title changed mods? Nothing seems to indicate F-Droid banned Gab. At least not in the linked article.

>Because of this, it won’t package nor distribute apps that promote any of these things. This includes that it won’t distribute an app that promotes the usage of previously mentioned website, by either its branding, its pre-filled instance domain or any other direct promotion. Pretty clearly a ban, whatever you think of it.

You are right, I missed that part. Seems it was a proactive ban for a not yet existing app?
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