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I have this issue too, I think it also has to do a bit with cultural background sometimes. I grew up in a hispanic family in a majority hispanic community, where my everyday conversation with people was people talking over each other. It was common to start making your point while the other person was still finishing theirs. The difference is, because everyone did it, we would just keep talking , even if we were cut…
Italian here, the exact same experience growing up. It was expected that you had a conversation this way. Why waste time waiting for each other to finish?
Ask HN: How to deal with constantly getting cut off in work discussions?
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Re: Ask HN: How to deal with constantly getting cut off in work discussions?
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this is a VERY hard thing to learn, but I am trying it. Sometimes it just requires more concentration and determination than I can muster. Also the person doing the interrupting will occasionally accuse YOU of interrupting them. I hate feeling bullied by interrupters so I am constantly working to master any and all tactics for shutting down what I see as this rude/disrespectful/disruptive behavior.
Why? This is passive aggressive. Am I taking crazy pills? What's the problem with just politely saying, "Can you please not interrupt?" or "Let me finish my point please."
It is actively defensive.
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I do it too....and I hate it........ I'm trying to tackle it by writing it down and waiting for others to finish with some decent success.
I wear a rubber band on my wrist and lightly snap it when someone is telling me something and I feel compelled to interrupt. It brings me out of the moment just enough to wait. But, you have to remember that the rubber band exists :-)
Re: Ask HN: How to deal with constantly getting cut off in work discussions?
#214And what if they are chosing wrong solution? If you are sure and have a moment of silence, usually after every noisy person understood the solution and is content with it, present one specific bulletproof counterexample. Might earn you deep thinker badge and love-hate relationship with the rest of the team.
And if they pick wrong solution anyways or you don't have an opportunity to pitch in. Relax. Not your circus, not your monkeys. It might come out ok in the end. Or you might still get to be a hero during recovery from this effup. And your team might get more billable hours which is good for you and your team. Not so good for your employer but that's the failure of development process he set up. You are not responsible to plug holes in the process.
This attitude will make you more relaxed and happier and have better relationship with the rest of the team. Your output will improve and you'll have more chances to infect noisy people with your ideas via 1 on 1 watercooler conversations and in the meetings just watch how they do the hard part of promoting your idea for you. Your employer might even get benefit from you not trying your hardest to represent him in the meetings.
Re: Ask HN: How to deal with constantly getting cut off in work discussions?
#215Always finish what you have to say even if others start trying to talk over you. If you stop it makes it look like what you have to say is not important. Check out this YouTube video titled: How to stop people from talking over you. https://youtu.be/ikAfrKf5A8I The YouTube channel Charisma on Command have a bunch of great videos on EQ.
As a shy person this is what I had found has been effective. By shutting up you give that person dominance and they usually continue to do it more. If you continue talking they end up looking like the rude person. But this technique requires persistence and doesn't always work. Sometimes people are just jerks (or don't realize what they're doing)
You can escalate and re-assert that your point is valid, but that's just escalation that can go both ways, it can result in your message being heard and it can also result in you being physically removed from the discussion; so if you choose to escalate, then you need to be certain about who'll "win" the escalation. If it's an internal team meeting and the 'interrupter' is your peer, then it's one context; if it's a customer-vendor meeting and the 'interrupter' is your boss, then that's a quite different context, and you'd better stop making that point as soon as you get a hint that it's not where he wants to direct the conversation (with the other party); your point may be valid but if making it here and now would harm the company negotiating position, then he gets to decide that your message shouldn't be told here and now.
A big aspect that's important is who's setting the topic of the discussion, and the limits of what's off-topic, disctracting or irrelevant? In an informal small discussion between peers usually that's everyone and includes you, but there are many cases where it's someone else. And in many cases that someone else should be interrupting people and ensuring that some things don't get listened to - moderating discussions is a valid need that's hard to do and often gets done less than it should, resulting in excessive ineffective long offtopic meetings.
Re: Ask HN: How to deal with constantly getting cut off in work discussions?
#216The reason usually is that people gets really excited about what they want to say. So excited that it is difficult for them to hold on. Especially when they can guess where interlocutors are coming from and what are their points so the rest of the sentence seem obvious.
I couldn't find any compelling research or article but there is this notion that mild autism is more frequent in Bay Area. Not only there, in general, it goes in par with high concentration of engineering staff.
If that's the case, I think people may not even realize they are jumping in and it is not something that they can easily harness. Probably the best option would be to wait when they finish and then continue with what you wanted to say. You might signal politely that you're not finished yet. You may also arrange a short chat dedicated especially for this issue, as long as everyone keep calm and respectful I see no harm in it. The other option is to speak with your manager about it as (s)he's in the best position to speak to single member or an entire team.
I know it's a massive effort to harness jumping in, but it can be done in many cases.
(edit: just fixing pronouns)
Re: Ask HN: How to deal with constantly getting cut off in work discussions?
#217I received feedback that I needed to give more room to others in technical discussions, and it was some of the most valuable feedback I have received, because it was a shortcoming of mine that I was unaware of.
Maybe the people cutting you off are well-meaning, but they just need to be made aware of their behaviour?
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Italian here, the exact same experience growing up. It was expected that you had a conversation this way. Why waste time waiting for each other to finish?
Because you want to hear what people have to say? Why listen or speak if it doesn't matter if people hear or pay attention?
Unfortunately I developed a kind of intense mix of the two cultures and I have to work hard not to dominate others in (non Italian) conversations. I try to de-interrupt by reminding someone who stopped taking of what they were talking about and asking them to continue. This also isn't ideal because it's forceful but it helps.
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#219I have a problem cutting people off- I get way to excited about what I want to say and jump in. I really appreciate when people call me out and don't take it personally. I also try to work on it and try to help steer the conversation to other people who have been cut off when I see it happen. So IMO don't be afraid to politely just let someone know! If you don't feel comfortable during the meeting, maybe speak with t…
But that is unfortunately not always why. Some people take a very, very long time to get to a point they’ve already telegraphed long before. In a conversation that’s about problem solving, this is wasting everybody’s time, and I will absolutely shove you out of the spotlight and without compunction. Daylight’s burning.
To these people I say, think about your writing style. Do you bury the lead? Do you save your best information for last? Sort yourself out. Give the person permission to stop reading when they get the gist. Then try to do the same with your speaking. Maybe work on noticing comprehension cues from your peers.
The longer we go on a tangent the higher the probability that everyone’s working memory has been reset. If that keeps happening, a good solution is unlikely to arise. And if you don’t have time to do it right you have time to do it over. If you’re accepting defeat at the beginning, just pull the bandaid off, pick any reversible solution and get on to other problems.
Re: Ask HN: How to deal with constantly getting cut off in work discussions?
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
Italian here, the exact same experience growing up. It was expected that you had a conversation this way. Why waste time waiting for each other to finish?
Because you want to hear what people have to say? Why listen or speak if it doesn't matter if people hear or pay attention?