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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

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I have a variety of ways to analyse this: 0) Remember that social media and the press shows the best parts of people's lives and rarely the crappy parts that everyone has. 1) You can't have it all. Often people sacrifice other parts of their lives to achieve in one area. My old boss that got promoted to a very high position never found a partner or children. Other tech friends who have earned a lot have worked thier…

Three of these methods are effectively, "My life is probably better than theirs anyway," and two are, "It wasn't a fair fight anyway." This might work on a surface level, but you're just plastering over the problem, not rising above it.

I think you're missing that there are options besides "their life is better than mine" and "my life is better than theirs."

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

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It is nice to get to that place where you have enough. I'm at the spot in my career, where I don't want any advancement or promotions. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I've got a nice nest egg saved up, so money isn't that big of a motivator.. Really at this point my career is on cruise control, just biding time until I can retire. I'm still learning new technologies, but it is because I want to, not because I have to…

If you don't mind my asking, how do you plan for your retirement? How much money etc. needed?

Not OP but I believe he is referring to the concept of Financial Independence. There is an excellent reddit community and wiki on the topic [1]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/wiki/faq

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

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You have the other extreme, Mr Money Moustache who claims to feed a family of 4 on about 300 dollars a month: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/03/29/killing-your-1000... of course, that´s a lot of rice, noodles and beans (not that there´s anything bad with those, but I´d get bored).

Healthy though, variety in your food does tend to increase the number of calories you consume.

I live in Japan and my grocery bill, excluding alcohol is about $50 per week for my wife and I. We eat a really wide variety of foods, but actually that variety means that we eat less meat. For breakfast we usually have rice, an egg, natto (fermented soy beans) and miso soup. The soup contains a variety of different ingredients depending on our mood: potatoes, onions, mushrooms (4 or 5 different kinds), daikon (a kind of large, sweet radish), carrot, wakame seaweed, tofu (very soft, grilled or deep fried), etc, etc, etc. I often have some oatmeal in the morning if I'm feeling hungry, or we'l substitute some of the rice for other grains like barley. Once or twice a week, we'll have a small piece of fish: usually grilled, but often prepared in different ways -- dried fish, pickled fish, marianated in sake lees, in a miso sauce, etc, etc.

For lunch it's always a lunch box during the week with the ubiquitous rice. However, there will be Japanese pickles, usually a stir fry, or left over dinner. We always have some meat or fish in the lunch box, but only something like 20 grams or so -- just for flavour and texture. I try to make dashi maki tamago (a rolled omlette). There are lots of preprepared things we add as well (some of which we buy, some of which we make). Things like hash browns/tater tots, potato salad, crunchy vegetables cooking in a sweet soy sauce sauce, etc, etc. The main shape of a Japanese lunch box is 1/2 of the box is rice, 1/4 is some main dish, 1/8 is some accent, and the remaining 1/8 is either fruit or pickles. The sizes are small so it's easy to get variety over the week. On the weekends, we will occasionally go out for lunch, but usually for ramen (which only costs us $5-7 each including tax and no tip -- advantages of living in Japan).

Then for dinner we have tended to adopt a kind of tapas style of eating -- which is common in Japanese izakayas (think pub). So we make 4 or 5 small dishes and nibble on them (usually with some beer or Japanese sake). My wife will spend time in the evening to make some of these dishes ahead for the week. I usually take over the kitchen on the weekends and make European style foods (though, normally "poor" people's foods like stews, etc) We often use the left overs in the lunch boxes.

One thing is that we eat very little meat/fish from a N/A perspective. Even when we eat yaki niku (Korean style barbeque), each of us will eat a maximum of 150 grams of meat each -- and that includes some beef, some pork and either a sausage or a bit of chicken. The rest is vegetables. Sometimes we'll have a piece of fish for dinner, but it's just a small piece and also just one of the 4 or 5 dishes that we have for dinner. Meat is not a main dish, ever. It's just an accent.

We don't often have desert, but when we do it's almost always seasonal fruit. Virtually every month where we live there is a new fruit coming into season. We don't eat fruit out of season -- we only eat local fruit. This means that we really look forward to it coming out and we just to buy it. Cherries are always hard because the season is only about 2 weeks!

When I worked at the high school here, the school nurse told be that the Japanese don't really do the "food pyramid" thing. Instead they recommend that you have 14-15 different foods during the course of the day.

You can see that we don't go out to dinner much: Usually 5 or 6 times a year and it's a really special treat when we do. But it's nice because the food around here is so great that it's a pleasure to cook with it.

I think the money mustache guy has it right: avoid optimising your time for work and instead optimise it for enjoying doing things for yourself. Get your calories from inexpensive things (we're mostly getting calories from rice, veg and fat). Then you can add variety, but the key is to have a lot of variety in small portions.

Just my 2 cents, anyway. There are lots of good ways to live and I don't mean to say that other ways are worse than this. It's just that you can spend a small amount of money, get a large amount of variety and not eat a large number of calories.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

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I've lived in London (even fairly recently) on 32K :-) No kids, but a non-working wife... I have a bad habit of taking jobs that look like fun rather than pay well :-D I'm not being sarcastic when I say that you can probably draw that line pretty arbitrarily and make a pretty good case that you are giving up something crucial if you go below that level. Even being single, though, I think it would challenge the most f…

The average London wage is about £35K, not a huge amount more and probably skewed by the super rich. Having said that I think London is a terrible place to live on a low wage.

We were quite comfortable on 32K, but it was tight and we couldn't save any money. About 12K for a nice 2 bedroom garden home (in lovely Watford ;-) ), 6K for taxes, 5K for the train, 2K for food, 2K for utilities, clothes, odds and ends and a quick holiday in sunny Bath :-) rounded it out (the tax number may be wrong -- I don't really remember).

Despite the horrible commute, living outside of London and commuting in improves your standard of living pretty dramatically IMHO. If we ever go back, I'm thinking of living even a few stops further out: you pay exactly the same amount of money on housing and transportation (the housing market is efficient), but you get a much nicer house -- at the cost of time...

Although, I say that... This year we stayed in a friends house in Millwall for a month and my commute was worse than from Watford (although a heck of a lot cheaper). So even being in Zone 2 doesn't guarantee you a good commute.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

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My post's not straw man. I responded to precisely what the parent poster said. They were very specific about the cognitive dissonance they perceived. If we're pointing out actual logical fallacies... to lose and fail graciously is more virtuous than trying to preserve the ego and pretend that it was a win In a universe where those are the only two possibilities? Sure. You and OP are presenting a false dichotomy. Pare…

More to the point, it's absolutely normal for people to shift their perspective, it's called growing as a person, part of said growth is learning more about yourself, and getting better at life in general. I know it sounds dismissive, but I get the strong impression these other posters are young.

Yeah. I feel a mixture of jealousy and sympathy for those those perspectives never change.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

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In other words, volunteering and helping the needy brings happiness to everyone involved and sets up paths to success for all. Keep some old shoes or take your restaurant leftovers with you to give to that next homeless guy at the intersection

If you like to be extra generous, buy them a new pair of shoes or a meal of their choosing.

If you have the ability to do so, I agree. However those old pair of shoes in your closet can be quickly dropped in your car for future reference

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with professional envy?

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I think there's a process everyone has to go through in life of working out what truly makes them happy. When you're in your early 20s everyone has similar goals - you're going to be a goddamn giant success, no matter what your field is. As the years go on you realise that's not going to happen and you have to re-evaluate. It's not always easy. For me personally, I know I do good work. I know my coworkers can rely on…

> When you're in your early 20s everyone has similar goals - you're going to be a goddamn giant success, no matter what your field is

That sounds very American. Of course there are also people like that in European countries, but it's far from being the usual thing. Most people grow out of wanting to become a superstar or huge success during their teens.

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