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Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

mcot2 wrote: post #18
bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

Ergonomically it is a disaster. I can’t think of a single product that embodies design over function more than this mouse. All of Apples mouse designs have been absolute train wreaks since the horrible “puck” mouse on the original iMac.

Melodramatic much? Not to mention completely wrong. The mouse is ergonomically perfect. The charging port on the bottom is the only “problem” and isn’t a problem at all unless you’re a poor person who can’t afford two mice to have a fully charged one ready to swap to at all times. If you’re that poor then you shouldn’t be buying Apple products anyway.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by bdcravens »

glvn wrote: post #17
bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

Part of the reason the Magic Mouse was a miss in my mind was that the Magic Trackpad was so much better. For how awkward the magic mouse was at first, the magic trackpad felt natural at first touch. I remember getting one at work, this was the only time I liked a product at work so much that I immediately picked one up before coming home.

There’s also a ton of general mice that work great.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by webwielder2 »

I think what bothers me about all these Jony Ive articles is that they rarely differentiate between Ive the designer, Ive the art director, and Ive the product manager. Similarly, they fail to differentiate between whether something was good or bad based on its aesthetics, functionality, or market reception. In these articles, Ive is just functioning as a stand-in for Apple, as Jobs did before him. It betrays a lack of understanding of how companies (and design) actually work on the part of pundits and journalists.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by save_ferris »

bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

I developed terrible tendinitis in my fingers using the Magic Mouse within a few weeks of purchasing one, I've never had a peripheral cause me so much pain in my career.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

sjwright wrote: post #24
bbx wrote: post #7

Can't really agree with the Magic Mouse 2 being a "miss". I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Maybe there was a better solution to this issue, but the truth is that it's not actually an issue and not a blunder either. I've had this mouse for years and simply rec…

The Magic Mouse 2 is junk but not because of the location of the charge port or the touch scroll. It's because it got the fundamentals of good mice so bad—an unergonomic shape and abysmally high foot friction. There are obviously going to be people who love it, but for me it's embarrassingly bad compared to options made by Razer and others. Yet their trackpad is the best in the entire industry. I've switched to the M…

I used to use the original Magic Mouse at work, which used AA batteries instead of a stupid lighting port to recharge.

I came to appreciate the Magic Mouse quite a bit. I found it perfectly comfortable, and having what is effectively a super long scroll wheel is great. I also appreciated the easy horizontal scrolling, and the ability to switch spaces with swipe gestures.

I switched only because I discovered how nice the tracking quality of gaming mice is.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by nneonneo »

jdofaz wrote: post #14

I really like 3D touch for moving the cursor in text input fields.

Yeah, that has to be my favorite use-case for the force-touch on iOS. The way text selection works on iOS has never felt that smooth, but force touch takes away some of the worst pain.

Shame it’s got zero discoverability. Most people I know are surprised when I show them that. It also has quite a steep learning curve for some. Plus, some of the more advanced useful stuff is pretty hard to use - for example, did you know you can switch to text selection by “pulsing” your finger twice while pressing the keyboard?

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by jccc »

noer wrote: post #22

The biggest miss that I remember that isn't on this list is the iPhone 4 antenna that wrapped around the device. If the user's hand got between the two sides, it would lose connectivity. Then Apple started selling those "bumpers" to keep the antenna working.

They didn't start selling them to the troubled iPhone users. They gave them away until the end of September that year:

https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/how-to-get-your-fr...

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

mcot2 wrote: post #29
gyrccc wrote: post #13

The last paragraph for Magic Mouse 2 seems a bit forced. This mouse has not garnered the same level of controversy as the other products in this article. I've personally found it more enjoyable and ergonomic than my Logitech M705 and Microsoft Sculpt. It's not inherently more ergonomic but the additional functionality enabled by multitouch means I don't have to move the mouse as much (on macOS at lease), which vastly…

Actually it is so bad and non ergonomic that there is a video from a keynote where Craig Federighi is struggling to use it.

You are the only person calling it non-ergonomic. Hopefully no one gets misled into believing your multiple comments are multiple people with the same opinion.

Re: Jony Ive: 8 hits and 8 misses from 20 years at Apple

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

overcast wrote: post #28
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I understand the controversy with the charging port being under the mouse, but it's done on purpose: Apple wants to prevent users from leaving the mouse connected with a USB cable all the time. Here's a better solution: good old rechargeable AA batteries. Keep a spare set sitting in a charger, and you'll never need to wait for your device to recharge. If you're concerned about users falling back on disposables, bun…

Any even better solution, use a wired mouse and keyboard. Why do I need to deal with batteries for something that doesn't move more than a few inches from its destination? We've banned wireless peripherabls in our organization, because they cause more issues then they are worth. "My mouse is jumping all over the screen", "my mouse no longer works", "my keyboard is typing things I'm not typing!". 9/10 it's low battery…

I don't like wired mice for the same reason I wouldn't want to use a wired Wii Remote. I use my mouse by physically moving it around my desk, and I find the tug of a physical cable to be distracting.

I can't say I've ever had tracking issues with the Magic Mouse either. I certainly don't have any with the wireless Logitech G305 I use now, which was designed for gaming and feels particularly precise and responsive.

If we were talking about keyboards, I'd be more sympathetic to your viewpoint. Although even then, I like the clean look of my wireless keyboard, even if it means I have to swap batteries once every couple months.

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