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Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Why was that flagged?

I would assume because the Bloomberg article and Gizmodo article have rather different levels of bias, and that Bloomberg and Gizmodo have significantly different levels of credibility.

Bloomberg still hasn't explained why they published the hit piece on Supermicro/Apple that hasn't been proven or even followed up on.

I'd say they do have bias, but it's questionable which has more credibility.

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1. Almost every tech company has been acutely aware of China stealing IP for decades now. It's not a new point. 2. Where did Thiel make this point? Thiel does not make the point that the Chinese are stealing US IP. He makes the charged point that Google executives (and somehow not Facebook executives) are Chinese agents. To that claim, I don't think he "has a point". It's in very bad taste to me that Thiel would poin…

>when he sits on the board of the biggest troublemaker. Why is this some kind of detraction from his larger point? If he has a problem with how Facebook is being run - or has concerns with their implementation of AI - then of course he'd want to retain his seat. How else would he influence the company?

I find it highly improbable that the board of Facebook would do anything besides act as yes-men to Zuckerberg and Sandberg who are making them boatloads of money.

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Having canceled Project Maven and dropped out of competition for the DoD cloud contract on principle, Google continues to operate an AI center in Beijing. They host conferences with Chinese companies and research institutions who they tutor on the use of Google's ML tools. How much of this knowledge (much of it focused on computer vision and image understanding) has been applied to China's surveillance program in Xin…

It seems that you're using HN primarily for political/ideological/national battle. Would you please not? We ban accounts that do that because it destroys the curiosity this site is supposed to be far. Admittedly there's not much curiosity in a highly charged thread like this one, but there's a difference between accounts that lapse occasionally into this and accounts that primarily propagate it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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The treasonous-ness seems like an exaggeration/distortion of [1]. > “The work that Google is doing in China is indirectly benefiting the Chinese military,” Marine General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-google/googles-... .

Fixed link https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-china-google/googles-wor...

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Really Thiel's frankly fascistic rhetoric is far more treasonous than even the absurd worst case of "Google gave access to literally all of their technical data to gain market entry". And here he is calling for abusing power to stifle dissent for exercising their rights of who they work with. What they and the nationalist bedwetter coalition forget is that the Military serves the Civilians. Not the other way around.…

> Really Thiel's frankly fascistic rhetoric is far more treasonous

How so?

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Anyone who thinks Google executives are exfiltrating core IP to China clearly hasn't ever used Baidu, the leading Chinese search engine that makes Bing look good.

Microsoft and Apple do business in China, yet somehow it's Google that's apparently working with the Chinese. These people are honestly out of their mind.

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This part is worth considering: > Thiel, a Facebook Inc. board member, argued that the kind of AI developed by DeepMind, which like Google is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc., should be thought of as a potential “military weapon.” “We’ve been a lot more dishonest about that in Silicon Valley than the nuclear physicists were in the 1940s,” he said in the opening speech at the National Conservatism conference. If one beli…

Thiel has switched his allegiance to New Zealand from USA so I don’t understand his talks of treason. He is founder of Plantir which has mission for spying on American citizens and using tech for military without any concerns to ethics whatsoever. This is a guy who bankrupted journalist news media because they dared to publish about him. I am not sure how far Thiel can go to establish himself as one true tech villain…

Peter Theil's actions are pretty questionable without your incredible attempts to paint gawker as anything besides a trashy, disingenuous tabloid. I've heard other parts of the company were decent but their bread and butter was the trashy stuff. He can still be wrong to have funded their destruction even if they suck too.

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I mean, he has a point. It's clear U.S. tech companies have become hugely susceptible to hiring foreign spies and the issue of foreign governments stealing IP is real. There was a very recent public case of Apple's autonomous driving unit stopping a Chinese engineer from leaving the country just as he was bound for China after detecting he had uploaded a bunch of code to a personal account. And most likely many more…

1. Almost every tech company has been acutely aware of China stealing IP for decades now. It's not a new point. 2. Where did Thiel make this point? Thiel does not make the point that the Chinese are stealing US IP. He makes the charged point that Google executives (and somehow not Facebook executives) are Chinese agents. To that claim, I don't think he "has a point". It's in very bad taste to me that Thiel would poin…

>When Google leaks the personal data of millions of Americans

Google+ was hacked and leaked the data of users. No one knows how many because Google deleted the logs.

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1. If negligence in this case means treason, there are several companies you can investigate then - it makes less sense to single out Google when Cisco has likely suffered more. Huawei was literally founded on stealing foreign technology and is allegedly built by Cisco engineers. 2. Rather than investigating if Google negligence is treason, would Thiel agree to charge Zuckerberg with treason due to the Cambridge Anal…

Thiel is definitely hypocritical. That alone does not make him wrong. (He may be right or wrong, I don't know).

Being hypocritical actually often means you are wrong... or more so that the listener is wrong in entertaining the hypocritical thoughts. That's because hypocrisy is often a form of manipulation. A method of distraction, pointing out one issue elsewhere so that the listeners look away. For the listeners, it means they might lose sight of the true opportunities, so it could be an opportunity cost loss. A good hypocritical manipulation would need to distract the listeners in a plausible way, so maybe there is a point..., but we'd be wrong to let ourselves be distracted by it. (Not saying this is the case here, just that maybe it is, I don't know)

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Anyone who thinks Google executives are exfiltrating core IP to China clearly hasn't ever used Baidu, the leading Chinese search engine that makes Bing look good.

Microsoft and Apple do business in China, yet somehow it's Google that's apparently working with the Chinese. These people are honestly out of their mind.

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The logic is really not too complicated. China is using AI to spy on citizens -- Google is creating and freely publishing state of the art versions of this AI. It's pretty clear that there is a worry here.

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