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China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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4 times less likely to get murdered in China than in USA. Sounds like a better place to raise a kid too.

Until you realize they are 4 times more likely to die in a car accident in China vs the USA. If you are just concerned about survivability, this isn’t a good bet.

I'm guessing this is largely due to seatbelt culture.

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The most concerning quote: "About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector." Attracting top global talent has always been a competitive advance for America, and it's not a good sign for our economy if we can't retain people that we are educating here.

I'm from the nordics and I when I was younger I thought of the US as the ultimate place to be. Now, having been there quite a bit, I must say that it really doesn't impress. The impression I got visiting the US in general (NY, Seattle, San Fran, LA), is that it all seems quite ran down, full of inequality and social problems, and lacking soul, mainly from being so consumerist. And although I would concievebly earn a…

>The impression I got visiting the US in general (NY, Seattle, San Fram, LA), is that it all seems quite ran down, full of inequality and social problems, and lacking soul, mainly from being so consumerist.

As an American citizen, I completely agree. We can't get local infrastructure built, we can't house or feed the homeless, our roads are mostly all awful, we still have major clean water issues in a lot of places around the country, and culture is definitely being pushed out as larger cities are gentrified and sort of "segregated" by inequality.

I'd move to another country if I was wealthy enough. Taking a real look at American society by moving around, ripping off the mask of indoctrination, USA doesn't look so well and neither does its future economy. Just because we have technological gadgets coming out of every direction doesn't mean we're the ultimate place to be anymore. That consumerist fetishism has put blinders on American society.

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The most concerning quote: "About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector." Attracting top global talent has always been a competitive advance for America, and it's not a good sign for our economy if we can't retain people that we are educating here.

It's difficult to blame Chinese students for not wanting to stay when they're being met with outright hostile rhetoric from the political establishment. Economic considerations completely aside, no one wants to live and work in that kind of environment.

What hostile rhetoric? When has Donald trump said that he doesn’t want the best and brightest to immigrate here?

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post #81

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I mean, this speaks to the one child policy as well as the value put on education in Asia. From a western perspective having to spend 3x annual household income on a masters degree would be absurd.

China has a very high savings rate and often a dearth of investment opportunities for that money (a bubbly real estate market or a insider trading heavy stock market), education abroad can provide pretty good returns comparatively.

Yep my mother was saying she can’t find a better investment opportunity than education for this 300k RMB (an awkward amount of money)

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post #93

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> There's a powerful, xenophobic political movement that has made him president, and there's a mainstream political party that wins more elections than it loses, that panders to that constituency. So very powerful, winning so many elections, yet they barely made a dent in even just legal immigration - it is still above 1 million per year, and the white population went from 85% in 1960, to 63% in 2010 [1] - a period d…

> That the country taking in the most immigrants, and so rapidly changing its demographics, gets labeled as the racist xenophobic one, If you read the entirety of my post, you may notice that I did not label the United States as a xenophobic country. I labeled a particular, but currently politically powerful subset of the population as a xenophobic one. If you doubt that it exists, you can find a good representation…

I'm not saying everything is fine. I am saying that xenophobia hasn't had any political power in the US for the last half century - both legal and illegal immigration numbers can attest to that.

There may be a lot of xenophobic rhetoric, but actions speak louder than words, and what precious little action there was (bans for Muslim countries that account for a negligible number of immigrants, and detention of children at the border) was both very ineffective and very politically damaging - the exact opposite of what one would do if one wanted to limit immigration.

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> “Wang said the salaries of his 40-person team for two years cost $700,000.” Good luck with that. If you’re averaging $10k per employee per year over the long term, I guarantee anyone with the ability to be a good engineer is still going to come to the US where they can make orders of magnitude more.

If it was just salary, they'd stay here. What's new is the general anti-Chinese climate, where they're suspected of working for Chinese interests, with people reviewing your research and trying to find anything hinting that you might have send files or blueprints to China. I'd also move back if I worked in such conditions. Plus you'd have family and friends back home.

If 80% are returning to China, then they are working for Chinese interests.

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post #37

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It's difficult to blame Chinese students for not wanting to stay when they're being met with outright hostile rhetoric from the political establishment. Economic considerations completely aside, no one wants to live and work in that kind of environment.

In all honesty it's even kind of going beyond that right now. You could end up being the poor innocent chinese patsy that they arrest for God knows what in some tit-for-tat power display. No one wants to be the dummy sitting in a foreign prison for 10 or 15 years while China and the US argue over their dick sizes. As an American I'd think very carefully about working in China right now for the same reason. No matter…

There is literally zero precedent for what you’re talking about. Immigrants jailed in the US because of import taxes? Because of a trade rework? Never. We interred Japanese after Japan commuted one of the largest terror attacks in US history, that’s it.

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post #120

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We don't have mass shootings every week. 70% of gun deaths are suicides. The majority of the rest are inner city unlawful gang-on-gang violence. Most people never even see a gun in the US in their lifetime. Stop spreading misinformation and fear-mongering propaganda.

There have been more mass shootings so far in 2019 than there have been days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_...

While there is most definitely a gun issue in the USA, that Wikipedia article said less than 200 have actually died in all of those mass shootings this year. As the third most populated country with over 320 million people, the chances of being involved in a mass shooting scrape is still astronomically small compared to keeling over from a heart attack due to too much McDonalds and CNN.

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The most concerning quote: "About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector." Attracting top global talent has always been a competitive advance for America, and it's not a good sign for our economy if we can't retain people that we are educating here.

I'm from the nordics and I when I was younger I thought of the US as the ultimate place to be. Now, having been there quite a bit, I must say that it really doesn't impress. The impression I got visiting the US in general (NY, Seattle, San Fran, LA), is that it all seems quite ran down, full of inequality and social problems, and lacking soul, mainly from being so consumerist. And although I would concievebly earn a…

Infrastructure is a huge one. Our transportation infrastructure is down-right third world and there is powerful opposition to doing anything about it. America is still run by a generation that worships the car and thinks any infrastructure other than roads is communism.

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We're quite far from the scale tipping in that direction, but it makes me curious about whether the US government has the legal authority to say "educating foreigners is no longer in the national interest, therefore it is no longer a valid reason to remain in the United States" and decimate the foreign student population essentially overnight.

It already does that, just after graduation rather than before. I don't know how many non-Americans I've met who came here to study but couldn't find a post-graduation job fast enough to get a new visa.
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