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Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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Ha. I petitioned to our HOA to put a trash can next to every mailbox and they refused.

Write "not deliverable" and drop it back into the "outbound mail" slot? Or get a stamp with the same for even-less-work version.

Hah, tried that. The local post office will just deliver it to your mailbox again, and again, and again. My record is 3 times for a real piece of mail addressed to someone who used to live where I live. After that I just recycled it.

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Pretty much all states require a hairdresser's license.

How does the government determine whether something creative like hair dressing is at a good enough standard?

It's ostensibly about making sure you don't spread disease.

Edit: changed mostly to ostensibly, because of comments below.

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This really pisses me off because you don't even have an option to not do business with the DMV. Even if you don't drive (highly unlikely in FL), you still need a non-driving ID card so there's no way to avoid getting swept up into this bullshit. I see they have included an opt out link. That's nice. I wonder if they honor it. Even if they do, 99.999% of the population will never even know to do this because they've…

> you still need a non-driving ID card Just to clarify, the state ID is not required by law , but you will be hard pressed to get by socially without it.

In the posted video, they said it was required for Medicaid.

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In Florida, its not personal though and its not just DMVs. Basically if the government has your information, anyone can submit a FOIA request to get it. This is particularly bad with licensed professionals (Real Estate agents, hair saloon cutters, etc.) that have to have a business license to operate. You can get the contact information (email, home address, phone number) for all of these individuals b/c its required…

> In Florida, its not personal though and its not just DMVs. Basically if the government has your information, anyone can submit a FOIA request to get it. This is particularly bad with licensed professionals (Real Estate agents, hair saloon cutters, etc.) that have to have a business license to operate. But it sounds like this case is different - the companies in question didn't submit FOIA requests, the DMV sold the…

>>> But it sounds like this case is different - the companies in question didn't submit FOIA requests, the DMV sold them for profit.

The way I interpreted it (and from prior experience with FOIA requests), a government agency can charge you a fee for processing a FOIA request. So the $77MM that the FL DMV made from "sales" of personal information, I interpret as FOIA fees collected for processing FOIA requests.

I could be wrong, that just how I interpreted the article.

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Direct Marketers must have your name and prior address in order to receive your updated address. So they are providing updated PII to those who already had your prior PII. You can opt out. The USPS makes only a few million from selling this data but saves over a billion dollars by avoiding the cost of forwarding mail sent to prior addresses. The USPS is allowed to do this under an exception for it in the Privacy Act.

Thank you for clarifying. Is it possible the data brokers themselves are buying the update and then selling it onward then? During my last move I received a boat load of direct marketing mail after my COA but before I updated any other accounts / license (took a vacation before arriving at the new home). Many companies I'd never heard of, included some health insurance scams.

If you purchased a new home that public record of sale tends to be the source of a bunch of spam - often claiming to be important mortgage documents.

If you were renting it's possible your landlord or management company provides information on new residents for 'cost saving offers'.

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> you still need a non-driving ID card Just to clarify, the state ID is not required by law , but you will be hard pressed to get by socially without it.

In the posted video, they said it was required for Medicaid.

Among other things. You'd have to live a mostly-off-grid lifestyle without it, but it's possible and completely legal. I.e., you are never legally required to produce any type of state ID card in Florida.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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How does the government determine whether something creative like hair dressing is at a good enough standard?

It's ostensibly about making sure you don't spread disease. Edit: changed mostly to ostensibly, because of comments below.

It's not. In many states it's a 6-month program. A "don't spread disease" course could be done in 8 hours.

It's about making it harder for people to compete with the existing hair dressers. It's about forcing students into schools. It's about extracting rent from the economy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cosmetology-rules-show-ab_b_5...

https://reason.com/2016/08/03/do-you-have-a-license-to-braid...

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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How does the government determine whether something creative like hair dressing is at a good enough standard?

It's ostensibly about making sure you don't spread disease. Edit: changed mostly to ostensibly, because of comments below.

And typically an order or two magnitude more hours of required training than to become a licensed police officer...
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