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Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

#111
I wouldn't treat my name and address as private information.

I have no problem with the phone book, there was a time when everybody's name number and address was published in a book they regularly left on your doorstep, it didn't seem like a huge invasion of privacy.

I do have a problem with the postal rates for mass mail and telemarketing laws – the real source of the issues here.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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post #77

How to Cut Down on Unwanted Junk Mail https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/smarter-living/how-to-cut... I get very little paper mail now except for companies that I already have accounts with (and who seem to believe that “paperless” doesn’t apply to the marketing departments).

This article reads like it was written by someone who's never tried to stop getting junk mail. I used to call the listed 1800 number on every piece of mail I got, return it with NATA written on it, etc... I never once got a single company to stop. There's literally nothing you can do to prevent it from coming at you, at least in my experience.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

#113

This really pisses me off because you don't even have an option to not do business with the DMV. Even if you don't drive (highly unlikely in FL), you still need a non-driving ID card so there's no way to avoid getting swept up into this bullshit. I see they have included an opt out link. That's nice. I wonder if they honor it. Even if they do, 99.999% of the population will never even know to do this because they've…

> you still need a non-driving ID card

Just to clarify, the state ID is not required by law, but you will be hard pressed to get by socially without it.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

#114
post #92

This is pretty bad. The usual argument of " if you don't like it don't use Facebook/Google/(insert company here) " doesn't apply here. You have to interact with the government to get a DL, there are no competitors. Therefor government services should treat personal information with the utmost respect and discretion, not sell it off to the highest bidder.

In Florida, its not personal though and its not just DMVs. Basically if the government has your information, anyone can submit a FOIA request to get it. This is particularly bad with licensed professionals (Real Estate agents, hair saloon cutters, etc.) that have to have a business license to operate. You can get the contact information (email, home address, phone number) for all of these individuals b/c its required…

> hair saloon cutters

You need a government-issued licence to cut hair in Florida?!

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

#115
post #63

Been happening for decades. When I got my driver's license (in the 1980's) in Iowa, they misspelled my name - Soseph instead of Joseph. I asked for a corrected license. They typed up another one but didn't go back and correct the record. So, I got solicitations in the mail for months for Soseph Altmaier. And that was before computers were used much.

I don't get why IRL mail spam is still allowed. It's a fucking nuisance. 95% of the mail I get is junk mail. Another 4% is recurring bill notices or something similarly low-value (yeah, I could probably make some of those go away by logging into whatever-it-is and checking a box somewhere, but it's overwhelmed by the junk mail anyway). Maybe 1% is something I actually care about. And I get a lot of mail. I'd pay a fe…

because the USPS makes money off this obviously

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Florida, its not personal though and its not just DMVs. Basically if the government has your information, anyone can submit a FOIA request to get it. This is particularly bad with licensed professionals (Real Estate agents, hair saloon cutters, etc.) that have to have a business license to operate. You can get the contact information (email, home address, phone number) for all of these individuals b/c its required…

> hair saloon cutters You need a government-issued licence to cut hair in Florida?!

Pretty much all states require a hairdresser's license.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

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post #76
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why IRL mail spam is still allowed. It's a fucking nuisance. 95% of the mail I get is junk mail. Another 4% is recurring bill notices or something similarly low-value (yeah, I could probably make some of those go away by logging into whatever-it-is and checking a box somewhere, but it's overwhelmed by the junk mail anyway). Maybe 1% is something I actually care about. And I get a lot of mail. I'd pay a fe…

> It's a fucking nuisance It's also a monumental waste of resources: process trees for paper, process inks, print the spam, ship spam to distribution center, ship spam to local dispatch, drive spam to mailbox, recipient puts spam directly into trash, garbage collector drives to collect spam, dump spam into a hole in the ground, bury the spam. While I'm sure it's inaccurate, that's about the gist of it, isn't it? You…

It's incredibly wasteful, especially when you realize how much mail doesn't get to you. I cleaned post offices in the past and the sorters were throwing away tons of mail that was being sent to old occupants. Fortunately, it was easy to recycle.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

#118
post #63

Been happening for decades. When I got my driver's license (in the 1980's) in Iowa, they misspelled my name - Soseph instead of Joseph. I asked for a corrected license. They typed up another one but didn't go back and correct the record. So, I got solicitations in the mail for months for Soseph Altmaier. And that was before computers were used much.

I don't get why IRL mail spam is still allowed. It's a fucking nuisance. 95% of the mail I get is junk mail. Another 4% is recurring bill notices or something similarly low-value (yeah, I could probably make some of those go away by logging into whatever-it-is and checking a box somewhere, but it's overwhelmed by the junk mail anyway). Maybe 1% is something I actually care about. And I get a lot of mail. I'd pay a fe…

I don't get why IRL mail spam is still allowed

Simple: it's a source of income for the USPS.

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hair saloon cutters You need a government-issued licence to cut hair in Florida?!

Pretty much all states require a hairdresser's license.

How does the government determine whether something creative like hair dressing is at a good enough standard?

Re: Florida DMV sells personal info to private companies, marketing firms

#120
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the prevalence of the “all taxes are bad” narrative that’s effectively cut taxes over the past couple of decades I’m not surprised. The money has to come from somewhere, so if the honest way of getting money is blocked the dishonest ones have to be used.

That pre-supposes that the problem is money - state and local revenues have been growing at 6%+ CAGR since the 1970’s, well in excess of inflation. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/state-general-rev...

But what does that look like on a per-capita basis?
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