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Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by roboys »

asdfman123 wrote: post #29
ClutchBand wrote: post #24

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There are many who know and understand that decision, and still move back, so they must (at least some) be factoring things like this into the decision to move back. Perhaps they feel that they can make a difference or perhaps some other reason, but the numbers in the article show that they are going back.

It's probably because there is a healthy tech industry in China and it's home. If could take classes in China and possibly get a job making 50% more there, I'd probably come back to the US instead. A 50% raise isn't enough to justify being half a world away from my family.

4 times less likely to get murdered in China than in USA. Sounds like a better place to raise a kid too.

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

roboys wrote: post #51
asdfman123 wrote: post #29

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It's probably because there is a healthy tech industry in China and it's home. If could take classes in China and possibly get a job making 50% more there, I'd probably come back to the US instead. A 50% raise isn't enough to justify being half a world away from my family.

4 times less likely to get murdered in China than in USA. Sounds like a better place to raise a kid too.

Until you realize they are 4 times more likely to die in a car accident in China vs the USA. If you are just concerned about survivability, this isn’t a good bet.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

devy wrote: post #12
otoburb wrote: post #3

"Wang Meng Qiu, a startup founder who graduated from Stanford University with a doctorate in computer science, held jobs at Facebook and Twitter in Silicon Valley before he moved to the outskirts of Shanghai to launch his own drone company, Zero Zero Robotics. Wang said the salaries of his 40-person team for two years cost $700,000." Generously assuming that the full 40-person team didn't onboard until year 2, that's…

> that's an annual average salary of only 17,500 USD per person. That is realistic and in line with fresh out of college Computer Science graduate market rate. I know that because I went to an undergraduate CS degree in China. Developers are working harder in China too. The famous 996 work schedule has been prevalent in Internet software startups in China.[1] Hence the anti-996 movement. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/…

Only from a third tier university. You aren’t going to get a tsignhua, pku, or even beihang grad for that price.

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by ivalm »

duxup wrote: post #26
pjc50 wrote: post #16

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It can almost certainly unilaterally revoke all the visas. Why the US wants to blow up its own higher education system would be beyond me, though.

Is having someone as a student, and then they leave ... beneficial? I don't have a position on this, I'm just wondering.

Especially PhD students are ultra-cheap professional work force that drives forward US academic research.

Furthermore, a big reason why so many return to China, is that even if you graduate in the US, staying in the US is quite hard. The environment is not welcoming in to the newly graduated US educated foreign origin PhDs.

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by refurb »

hello_moto wrote: post #44
asdfman123 wrote: post #22

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No want wants to live in that kind of environment? In the US, Trump says mean things about certain types of immigrants. In China, you can be jailed with no due process for speaking out about human rights abuses. Also, better hope you're not in a religious minority. Don't say anything bad about the government, because they're watching you!

This statement seems true without context but false with context. Allow me to provide the context: If you're a Chinese internantional student living in the USA where the #1 guy in the country uses Identity Politics as its arsenal to win and lead the country, you, as an outsider, will feel insecure w.r.t of races. If you're a Chinese international student coming back home to your country of origin, you're used to the…

You China's disregard for human rights is not a big deal because if you're from there you're used to it?

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Post by howard941 »

hello_moto wrote: post #44
asdfman123 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No want wants to live in that kind of environment? In the US, Trump says mean things about certain types of immigrants. In China, you can be jailed with no due process for speaking out about human rights abuses. Also, better hope you're not in a religious minority. Don't say anything bad about the government, because they're watching you!

This statement seems true without context but false with context. Allow me to provide the context: If you're a Chinese internantional student living in the USA where the #1 guy in the country uses Identity Politics as its arsenal to win and lead the country, you, as an outsider, will feel insecure w.r.t of races. If you're a Chinese international student coming back home to your country of origin, you're used to the…

> yes, I'm dead serious, Americans want everything and they don't like rules

Best not be so serious: You're mistaken.

Is a whipping a proper punishment for chewing gum left on a Singapore sidewalk?

> Step inside a land/house by accident and gets killed by the homeowner's M14 is just... nuts (yes I know I'm exaggerating a bit).

Does the dead seriousness lead you to believe Americans approve of this nutso reaction?

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by duxup »

ivalm wrote: post #55
duxup wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is having someone as a student, and then they leave ... beneficial? I don't have a position on this, I'm just wondering.

Especially PhD students are ultra-cheap professional work force that drives forward US academic research. Furthermore, a big reason why so many return to China, is that even if you graduate in the US, staying in the US is quite hard. The environment is not welcoming in to the newly graduated US educated foreign origin PhDs.

>Especially PhD students are ultra-cheap professional work force that drives forward US academic research.

I'm not necessarily doubting it as this is not my area of expertise, but what % of students really do "ultra-cheap professional work force that drives forward US academic research"... that anyone else can't?

Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by [deleted] »

howard941 wrote: post #57
hello_moto wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This statement seems true without context but false with context. Allow me to provide the context: If you're a Chinese internantional student living in the USA where the #1 guy in the country uses Identity Politics as its arsenal to win and lead the country, you, as an outsider, will feel insecure w.r.t of races. If you're a Chinese international student coming back home to your country of origin, you're used to the…

> yes, I'm dead serious, Americans want everything and they don't like rules Best not be so serious: You're mistaken. Is a whipping a proper punishment for chewing gum left on a Singapore sidewalk? > Step inside a land/house by accident and gets killed by the homeowner's M14 is just... nuts (yes I know I'm exaggerating a bit). Does the dead seriousness lead you to believe Americans approve of this nutso reaction?

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Re: China's rising tech scene threatens US brain drain as ‘sea turtles’ return home

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Post by whoevercares »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #49
LastMuel wrote: post #42

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Wait, are you saying the only valuable students are the ones that didn’t pay for their education? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.

No, what parent is saying is that there is a huge difference between a rich Chinese kid studying political science and a workin class Chinese kid studying computer science on a PhD stipend. The former has boomed in the last 10 years while the latter was pretty constant for the last 20+.

Working class Chinese family in many cities now could also afford a two year master program(e.g Stony Brook U only cost me about RMB 300k for the entire Master with a decent CS program). My family is just normal working class with yearly income about 100k RMB. It’s not quite accurate to attribute all masters to “Rich” because ordinary income has been flying in China
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