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After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by taneq »

Spooky23 wrote: post #28
mgramsey wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any citations for what seems like an extreme claim in your second paragraph?

Translation: Keep your expensive stuff away from brown people. Kind of a disgusting attitude that isn’t acceptable for a business with aspirations of displacing personal cars. This happened in the 90s with rental cars. Organized insurance fraud (fake accidents with fake or overblown injuries) was incredibly rampant in Brooklyn, to the point that renting cars without significant deposits became difficult if you were f…

I’ve thought about this a bit recently and I wonder how much it’s actually “poor people” who are the target of this prejudice and “brown people” just get tarred with that brush. Nobody thinks rich brown people are automatically criminals.

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by nickpsecurity »

mgramsey wrote: post #16
supernova87a wrote: post #12

Never underestimate how much cleverer than you people will be when it comes to money. They spend their full time on figuring out how to use the system in ways you didn't expect, whereas you don't even spend full time on getting the things to work the way you barely took the time to think they would. Secondly, take away the lesson that there's a reason that banks/stores/merchants don't lower their standards and go int…

Do you have any citations for what seems like an extreme claim in your second paragraph?

The crime statistics in the neighborhoods should suffice. One thing I periodically see on HN is how companies are discriminating against (group here) because they aren't operating in high-crime neighborhoods. Obviously, a company maximizing revenues and minimizing liabilities will avoid such areas. So will most individuals delivering to them that don't want to get robbed (most likely), raped, or killed. They're more interested in playing it safe given there's piles of folks out to get them and alternatives with fewer risks.

Funniest thing: most folks griping about this try to avoid the same areas and aren't volunteering to deliver high-value goods to them to address any perceived gaps. That's because they think the same things as or aren't much more inclusive than the people they're griping about. Virtue signaling and slacktivism over real activism for the groups they supposedly want to help every day.

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by ComputerGuru »

Spooky23 wrote: post #28
mgramsey wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any citations for what seems like an extreme claim in your second paragraph?

Translation: Keep your expensive stuff away from brown people. Kind of a disgusting attitude that isn’t acceptable for a business with aspirations of displacing personal cars. This happened in the 90s with rental cars. Organized insurance fraud (fake accidents with fake or overblown injuries) was incredibly rampant in Brooklyn, to the point that renting cars without significant deposits became difficult if you were f…

> Keep your expensive stuff away from brown people

Why drag race into this? I’m sure the discussion was then same for concentrations of certain socioeconomic classes of people of any and all colors.

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by controlweather »

icxa wrote: post #27
URSpider94 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First off, credit scores don’t necessarily correlate directly to honesty, they correlate to likelihood to pay back a debt, which could be driven by unfortunate circumstances like a sudden medical expense or loss of a job. Someone who is hit by a car and spends six months in the hospital may have a crap credit score and still be an honest person. Second, the whole concept of “bad neighborhoods” where people aren’t tru…

> the whole concept of “bad neighborhoods” where people aren’t trustworthy is partly a racist trope The concept of a "bad neighborhood" comes from crime statistics, not racist tropes. Either crime (theft, robbery, fraud, et all) is high, or it is not high, race be damned. Subscribers to a particular political ideology need to calm down with the whole "your facts/science are racist" bit, because it hurts everyone over…

You’re as dumb as god made you it seems. Some places have bad neighborhoods that are super white trash and have nothing to do with your self induced racist battle fantasies.

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by Spooky23 »

gervu wrote: post #14
jacurtis wrote: post #10

This is interesting because I always thought these "background checks" were just a formality. Like something needed for their insurance or to weed out a few extreme individuals (like those with multiple-DUIs or a heavy history of wrecks on their record). But the fact that they can ease up on background checks and see an immediate large bulk of car thefts is damning evidence that the background checks were truly havin…

That sort of implies that there was some river of theft intent that they were keeping dammed up. Which, could be the case, or it could be that announcing the policy change was the equivalent of announcing your upcoming month-long backpacking tour on Facebook after posting your address and photos of most of your valuables. (It might be less declaring open season on theft, than a perceived increase in vulnerability tri…

It’s probably a little of both. Remember Nextel? For a long time push to talk wasn’t interceptable by the police.

Nextel didn’t seek out street drug dealing networks as a customer base. But the cops figured out that they weren’t traceable and had great loud speaker phones, started buying them, word got out and suddenly you have a market.

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by scarface74 »

taneq wrote: post #31
Spooky23 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: Keep your expensive stuff away from brown people. Kind of a disgusting attitude that isn’t acceptable for a business with aspirations of displacing personal cars. This happened in the 90s with rental cars. Organized insurance fraud (fake accidents with fake or overblown injuries) was incredibly rampant in Brooklyn, to the point that renting cars without significant deposits became difficult if you were f…

I’ve thought about this a bit recently and I wonder how much it’s actually “poor people” who are the target of this prejudice and “brown people” just get tarred with that brush. Nobody thinks rich brown people are automatically criminals.

Nobody thinks rich brown people are automatically criminals.

Really? You’ve never heard of racial profiling?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/w...

https://newsone.com/3812066/black-doctor-racial-profiling-at...

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by anonthrowaway2 »

orev wrote: post #29
dvdbloc wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correlation does not imply causation

You can’t have causation without correlation.

You definitely can. A control system causes a signal to be ~constant and thus ~uncorrelated to whatever you care to name.

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by dmix »

URSpider94 wrote: post #24
lettergram wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit scores? This is a fairly widely known fact that honestly shouldn’t need citations. There’s a reason banks secure credit cards from people with no credit history. There’s a reason insurance in Florida is different than the rest of the U.S. etc

First off, credit scores don’t necessarily correlate directly to honesty, they correlate to likelihood to pay back a debt, which could be driven by unfortunate circumstances like a sudden medical expense or loss of a job. Someone who is hit by a car and spends six months in the hospital may have a crap credit score and still be an honest person. Second, the whole concept of “bad neighborhoods” where people aren’t tru…

> the whole concept of “bad neighborhoods” where people aren’t trustworthy is partly a racist trope

There are plenty of "bad neighbourhoods" with white people and every nationality. These same bad neighbourhoods exist in UK, Canada, across Asia and Latin America, etc. It's quite rare to find any large urban area without one. It's a human problem not a race one and it's hardly a trope. It's very much real.

Re: After Car2Go eased its background checks, 75 vehicles were stolen in one day

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Post by graeme »

org3432 wrote: post #15
mc32 wrote: post #9

If there’s one thing enterprising thieves know how to do, it’s ruining things for honest people and why we can’t have good things. You really have to think like a thief when you want to serve the public because the public provides a cover to the crook and if you let your guard down it’ll bite you in this day and age.

I think it's also due to having a population that has nothing to lose.

....criminals are not a large percentage of the population. Especially when you exclude people convicted on harmless offences such as drug possession.

It takes more than being poor and downtrodden to turn to well planned theft.

(I mean harmless in the sense that only the person using drugs has potential harm.)

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