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Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Re: Judge Gives E-Cigarette Makers 10 Months to Seek FDA Review

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Post by vanattab »

darkpuma wrote: post #19
dmix wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean “heating”? (“we dont call it Vaping” - every big Tobacco sales rep) If the tobacco companies have been spending hundreds of millions on R&D for over a decade on electronic cigarettes (not necessarily vaping), which is what some of them claim, then they seriously missed the boat. I can assure you as a long time customer they don’t have much control in the market, besides trying to buy one like Juul (Juuls are…

Where do you think the nicotine in any of these products comes from? The whole damn thing is the tobacco industry, not merely the parts of it wearing the legacy brands on their sleeves. The reputation of the tobacco industry is well earned. Vigilant regulation is necessary to keep it on a leash.

>The nicotine in eliquid is the same as that used in pharmaceutical NRT. It is extracted from a member of the tobacco family but not the same plant as used for smoking tobacco as that has much less nicotine in the leaves than the rustica type of tobacco plant.

https://www.quora.com/Where-does-the-nicotine-used-in-electr...

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Post by exolymph »

darkpuma wrote: post #19
dmix wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean “heating”? (“we dont call it Vaping” - every big Tobacco sales rep) If the tobacco companies have been spending hundreds of millions on R&D for over a decade on electronic cigarettes (not necessarily vaping), which is what some of them claim, then they seriously missed the boat. I can assure you as a long time customer they don’t have much control in the market, besides trying to buy one like Juul (Juuls are…

Where do you think the nicotine in any of these products comes from? The whole damn thing is the tobacco industry, not merely the parts of it wearing the legacy brands on their sleeves. The reputation of the tobacco industry is well earned. Vigilant regulation is necessary to keep it on a leash.

If there's market demand for it, nicotine synthesis will probably get cheaper: https://www.wired.com/2016/06/vaping-industry-wants-go-post-...

It's dubious that nicotine itself is bad for you: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

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Post by Clubber »

Mirioron wrote: post #15
loeg wrote: post #7

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I think the main hurdle is that you have to take a huge pile of money and light it on fire as a sacrifice to the FDA. This obviously limits the number of products and vendors that can participate in the market, although it isn't at all clear that it will reduce uptake by non-smokers.

So, the point of this is to reduce competition from smaller companies?

Expensive regulation usually benefits the organizations that can afford it to the detriment of those that can't. Regulation is certainly a two edge sword in this regard. I'm left to wonder if this is an intended or unintended consequence.

A British study recently came out finding eCigarettes 95% less harmful than cigarettes.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/28/vaping-is-95...

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Post by akeck »

Tobacco is an "agricultural product" if I recall correctly. It's allowed, in part, because it predates the United States. On the other hand, e-cigs to me (IANAL) are a "drug delivery system". I've always been curious about how they were allowed even to get started - let alone turn into a 7 billion dollar market.

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Post by VoiceOfWisdom »

Symmetry wrote: post #18
4ntonius8lock wrote: post #11

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> obviously nothing will be banned Tobacco: 500,000 Alcohol Deaths: 88,000 All Non Alcohol Drug Overdoses (including prescriptions): 64,000 Marijuana Deaths: 0 Yearly statistics for the USA. Seems your 'obvious' might not be so obvious for the rest of us. But then again, I think many 'obvious' things for you are not obvious to the rest of us. Like the muddled thinking related to children: 1st, it's already illegal to…

Nobody dies from Marijuana overdoses but having smoke in your lungs is having smoke in your lungs whether it comes form a cigarette or a joint or a campfire and it's pretty much equally bad each way. Users tend to spend less time smoking joints than cigarettes but I'd be very surprised if the incidence of lung cancer from marijuana was zero.

Because there definitely isn't any other way to consume marijuana other than smoking it.

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Post by fibonachos »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #14
ceejayoz wrote: post #9

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The simple solution there seems to be making e-cigs available via a prescription as a smoking cessation/avoidance device.

The simple solution is to not do anything other than require e cigs to advertise the adverse effects of their product. As far as I can tell, they aren’t hurting anyone other than the people that use them. And as a society, I think junk food and carb heavy meals are a costlier disease.

As someone who lost 80 pounds cutting out junk food, sugar, and carb heavy foods while watching my older brother continue to struggle with his weight and accompanying health issues, I heartily agree.

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Post by dade_ »

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking.

I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can be mitigated.

That said, there is also a puritan no drug element to these "anti-tobacco" lobbies that have nothing to do with harm or risk, they are just the Calvinists of our day.

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Post by droidist2 »

dade_ wrote: post #28

All I know was that I kept going back to smoking, even after quitting for a few years. I used e-cigs for 2 years, quit them 3 years ago and I have no interest in either anymore. As far as I am concerned, they are an essential tool to help people quit smoking. I look forward to some real data on the topic though. I think some designs and chemicals (flavouring) in vaping cause harm and that with research, the risks can…

> That said, there is also a puritan no drug element to these "anti-tobacco" lobbies that have nothing to do with harm or risk, they are just the Calvinists of our day.

True, and what's also weird is a lot of the anti-nicotine puritans are pro-marijuana.

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