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Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by brownbat » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 12:54 PM UTC

unexpected wrote: post #47

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Let's use your reasons, but look at it from the opposite side: 1) The largest contributor to the poor air quality in India is the practice of burning to clear fields, cook stoves that use wood, and the burning of cow dung [ https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17316978/india-pollution-levels... ]. One easy way to bring these people out of poverty is to provide them with good economic opportunities (like factory jobs!). High-…

Agreed, this echoes Rosling's points in videos and in Factfulness about how societies actually progress.

India will have a special challenge from mosquitoes and diseases like dengue and malaria, but maybe the best approach to malaria will be turning mosquito-borne diseases into diseases of the rich. We probably can't fully appreciate the solutions a wealthy India (or wealthy Nigeria) would develop, applying new resources, the latest science, and metis to deal with the world's deadliest animal.

[0] https://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/Factfulness#

[1] https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/Most-Lethal-Animal-Mosquit...

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by Arun2009 » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:01 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #10

Is there any concern that the PRC issues are just a symptom of a developing nation bootstrapping? What are the chances that India does the same? Obviously China has some specific cultural issues but it might be hard for developing nations to resist the temptation to steal Western tech.

> What are the chances that India does the same?

The saving grace (in my opinion) is that India is vastly more susceptible to pressure from outside than China. Indian government can't simply impose a policy and expect the population to fall in line. If western sanctions make lives difficult for India's industry or the common citizens, the government will have to backtrack pretty much immediately.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rorykoehler » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

bildung wrote: post #104

solarkraft wrote: post #43

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This does not make climate change less of an issue. We're at an important turning point and the developed nations just can't stop it alone. Of course they should be doing way, way more and support ways of cleaner development financially.

> This does not make climate change less of an issue. We're at an important turning point and the developed nations just can't stop it alone. India really isn't much of an issue on that front. The 1.3 billion people living in India produce less than half the greenhouse gas emission of the USA, which has less than 1/4 of India's population.

We all know the US is the worst offender for greenhouse gases but there's more to pollution than global warming.

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Post by gurkendoktor » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:30 PM UTC

Redoubts wrote: post #60

43920 wrote: post #31

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Yeah, it's rather strange that Apple's dropping so many recent devices in iOS 13, especially since they specifically talked about improved performance on the 6 in the iOS 12 announcement [1]. They also dropped the 6th gen ipod touch, which they were still selling up until a few months ago. [1] https://singjupost.com/tim-cook-at-apple-wwdc-2018-keynote-f...

Sounds like a perfect LTS release to me!

iOS 12 is only "fast" if you compare it to the disastrous iOS 11. At some point around iOS 12.2, our iPhone 6 Plus became so slow that we replaced it (with a new iPhone of course). iOS 10 would have been a good LTS release for the iPhone 6.

This trend honestly makes me feel dirty to work in software. If you only use a few core apps, iOS 12 looks and feels just like iOS 7, yet it needs several times the horsepower to work. And unlike on the web, we can't blame it on JavaScript ads. It's just shoddy engineering that aligns with Apple's incentives.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rorykoehler » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:31 PM UTC

mertnesvat wrote: post #110

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

" 1800s England, Manchester child workers were losing their hands to clean dirt from textile machine without stoping them because it can effect their productivity. Same children who has just cleaned narrow chimney. " I think this pollution and all those sufferings are first step of industrialisation you might say what about current england or germany, I guess they suffered enough to make changes.

You may be right however I hope we can learn from the past in an effort to continuously improve.

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Post by amdavidson » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:32 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #39

londons_explore wrote: post #14

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It's pretty easy to value custom built components whatever you like. They are either very cheap components, but you paid a massive r&d grant to have them designed for you, or they are very expensive components but you paid no r&d costs. Choose whatever suits to best avoid taxes, quotas, fees, and regulations...

That is not entirely true, you cant just name an R&D budget, you have to show it in some way.

It is super true if you are using outside resources for R&D/NREC.

Line item on the PO or wrap it into the part costs.

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Post by option_greek » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:35 PM UTC

oska wrote: post #111

option_greek wrote: post #92

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Chennai is sitting next to a Ocean and has sunshine 95% of the days. If they can't figure the solution to their water crisis it is due to their politicians.

Desalination is not a panacea.

Why ?

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Post by krageon » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:36 PM UTC

mindfulplay wrote: post #33

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Western concerns imposed on developing countries is not a good idea. Life here is safe and sound for us to think about climate change and other things. When people in India don't even have clean water or electricity they shouldn't give a shit about environment or other things. It took the US 200 years of development before it started working about these things. And the US is / was a developed nation.

If all the "developing countries" don't learn from developed countries' mistakes everyone will be poor 100 years from now, because it'll keep going to shit same as it is now.

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Post by kkarakk » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:37 PM UTC

oska wrote: post #111

option_greek wrote: post #92

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Chennai is sitting next to a Ocean and has sunshine 95% of the days. If they can't figure the solution to their water crisis it is due to their politicians.

Desalination is not a panacea.

Tell that to the middle east

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Post by krageon » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 1:41 PM UTC

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #52

dirtyid wrote: post #24

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>move all production out of the PRC ... >Interesting to note the article mentions iPhone 6, 6s and 7 This is pretty much why Apple or other OEMs can't move all production out of PRC. Mainland supply chain and expertise is critical to rapidly refining and launching new products. Once manufacturing matures, the process can be exported to other countries. Apart from Indian, I don't think any other country can replicate…

Exactly, it would be a courageous move for the richest company in the world (by cash on hand, seems to still be Apple by a wide margin) to risk losing $$ for standing up with its moral values.

Companies don't have moral values, except as a sales pitch. They won't keep to them either, except as required by public outrage. Let's not put on our rose-tinted glasses, even for a track record that's less dark gray than some other companies.