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Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by 43920 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #17
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It would be Courageous to move all production out of the PRC, or any other totalitarian state. Interesting to note the article mentions iPhone 6, 6s and 7. I wouldn't have guessed these were still in production!

iPhone 6 is surprising indeed, because upcoming iOS 13 does not support it. Selling devices which will stop updating in a few months sounds very bad.

Yeah, it's rather strange that Apple's dropping so many recent devices in iOS 13, especially since they specifically talked about improved performance on the 6 in the iOS 12 announcement [1]. They also dropped the 6th gen ipod touch, which they were still selling up until a few months ago.

[1] https://singjupost.com/tim-cook-at-apple-wwdc-2018-keynote-f...

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by AtomicOrbital »

desi_ninja wrote: post #29
rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

you need a lot of money to fix these problems. successful manufacturing hub will bring that money. This is a pattern. Indian booming tech sector led to a lot of improvements

Core issue in India is systemic corruption ... failure of rule of law a close second ... Until these are addressed that culture will squander it's future

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by mindfulplay »

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Western concerns imposed on developing countries is not a good idea.

Life here is safe and sound for us to think about climate change and other things. When people in India don't even have clean water or electricity they shouldn't give a shit about environment or other things.

It took the US 200 years of development before it started working about these things. And the US is / was a developed nation.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by ksec »

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

The manufacturing site and everything was set 15 years ago in China with very little pollution consideration in mind.

I hope they have learned their lesson and these manufacturing won't bring as much pollution / unit. While I don't expect it to be zero pollution, I just hope improvement are being made, and since Foxconn is working with Apple, I believe they will surely force a few criteria.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by ksec »

umeshunni wrote: post #11
dsl wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple already uses multiple suppliers for each stage of production, so shipping production lines to other countries wouldn't be that difficult. Beyond that you'd just be sourcing bulk components, which I'm sure their Chinese suppliers will happily ship to India. Raw materials like the aluminum could be locally sourced.

> which I'm sure their Chinese suppliers will happily ship to India That's a good point. The requirements seems to be about locally sourcing components, not locally manufacturing them. It's entirely possible for a Chinese company to have a subsidiary in India that's supplying components to Apple.

Yes but that is assuming the component being imported to India are without traffic.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by khuey »

londons_explore wrote: post #14
mikepurvis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like getting to 30% of the value would be a stretch if the ICs, PCB assembly, and possibly screen are coming from China and Taiwan/TSMC. Like, the case and battery are worth something, but not tons.

It's pretty easy to value custom built components whatever you like. They are either very cheap components, but you paid a massive r&d grant to have them designed for you, or they are very expensive components but you paid no r&d costs. Choose whatever suits to best avoid taxes, quotas, fees, and regulations...

For extra points make different choices in different tax jurisdictions.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by mikepurvis »

londons_explore wrote: post #14
mikepurvis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like getting to 30% of the value would be a stretch if the ICs, PCB assembly, and possibly screen are coming from China and Taiwan/TSMC. Like, the case and battery are worth something, but not tons.

It's pretty easy to value custom built components whatever you like. They are either very cheap components, but you paid a massive r&d grant to have them designed for you, or they are very expensive components but you paid no r&d costs. Choose whatever suits to best avoid taxes, quotas, fees, and regulations...

I guess that's true. If you're not actually selling them other than in your device, you can argue that they're basically worthless as bits of plastic and metal, and all the "value" is being created by the India-based assembly process that turns them from parts into functioning phones.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by code_duck »

pushtheenvelope wrote: post #30
rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Your comment is rather patronising. Every year that goes by where India doesn't raise its standard of living, results in millions of stunted childhoods and lives. India needs all the manufacturing growth it can get. The equivalent to your comment would be Indians on this forum leaving gratuitious remarks about the West ruining the planet with its excessively polluting ways. Just because you cannot see it around you,…

So there’s the choice of malnutrition or pollution?

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by ksec »

londons_explore wrote: post #14
mikepurvis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like getting to 30% of the value would be a stretch if the ICs, PCB assembly, and possibly screen are coming from China and Taiwan/TSMC. Like, the case and battery are worth something, but not tons.

It's pretty easy to value custom built components whatever you like. They are either very cheap components, but you paid a massive r&d grant to have them designed for you, or they are very expensive components but you paid no r&d costs. Choose whatever suits to best avoid taxes, quotas, fees, and regulations...

That is not entirely true, you cant just name an R&D budget, you have to show it in some way.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by nyrulez »

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

I'm afraid you are right but people in India don't seem to care. I go there every year and life there compared to 10 years ago is night and day. Even in cities that are further away from the big 4 (e.g. north of New Delhi, even in Himachal Pradesh which used to be very clean as the Himalayas start there) have an extremely visible layer of smog, especially in winters. Pollution is pretty bad and water shortage is becoming more common. But surprisingly, neither the government there or the public seem to treat this as a top national emergency. This may sound elitist, but I consider New Delhi an unlivable city.

It's a difficult tradeoff. Economic development seems to be the only parameter that matters, especially when there are so many in poverty.

Some all time top posts on r/urbanhell are from India (UNPLEASANT IMAGERY WARNING):

https://i.redd.it/n8sdntzy8bb11.jpg

https://i.redd.it/y7i3lb94b1021.jpg

(River Yamuna. This river was reasonably clean 20 years ago but now you can see this terrible foam from the pollution and intense garbage disposal into the rivers. And yes, that's people praying, as Yamuna is considered one of the holy rivers)

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