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Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by daemin »

evanb wrote: post #20

New York City just finished replacing the Kosciuszko Bridge, a critical segment of the BQE (I278). Most people in New York say "the koss-key-oss-ko bridge", though my understanding is that the pronunciation is more like "Ko-shuz-kuh"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko_Bridge

Similar to the tallest mountain in Australia, named after the same person and in general people pronounce it Ko-zee-os-ko. My father was particularly proud to correct people's pronunciation of it and to try and get them to say it the proper Polish way.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

chewz wrote: post #40
H8crilA wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polish democracy was like MySpace or Altavista, good overall direction but then suddenly failed spectacularly, during Stanisław II Augustus times. He got steamrolled by Catherine the Great. The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better. Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages: Polish, L…

> The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better. As Chou Enlai famously quiped about the outcome of French Revolution - "It's too early to tell if it was positive or not".

I enjoy that quip a lot, but some spoilsport wrote up that it was actually a translation mishap in the interview, and he was referring to the May 1968 insurrection (just a few years past at the time).

Rats.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by chewz »

chewz wrote: post #39
H8crilA wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polish democracy was like MySpace or Altavista, good overall direction but then suddenly failed spectacularly, during Stanisław II Augustus times. He got steamrolled by Catherine the Great. The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better. Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages: Polish, L…

> Włodkowic strongly supported the idea of conciliarism and pioneered the notion of peaceful coexistence among nations – a forerunner of modern theories of human rights. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawe%C5%82_W%C5%82odkowic

In short Włodkowic argumented at 'International Tribunal' during the 1414 Concil of Constance that Teutonic Order cannot justify it's violence and conquest of neighbours just because they are pagans. That was some years before Columbus..

At that time it was customary for European knights to come as guest to Prussia and take part in military expeditions against pagans as a sort of hunting excercise (razzia).

One of the more famous guests was Henry IV Tudor.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by ruserioussdfg »

satori99 wrote: post #18

> ... you probably haven’t heard of Andrzej Tadeusz Bonawentura Kosciuszko. Nor can you spell it or pronounce it; join the club, but we’re working on it. The largest mountain in Australia is named after him. So most Australians know, and can pronounce, his surname at the very least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kosciuszko

Created an account to just to say that Australians have no idea how to pronounce this name. As an Australian I worked with a polish guy, the only thing he knew about Australia was the name of its tallest mountain. I had forgotten at the time and when he said "mount coz chiz ko" I knew something was wrong. We call it "mount cozzie osko"

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by mlthoughts2018 »

evanb wrote: post #20

New York City just finished replacing the Kosciuszko Bridge, a critical segment of the BQE (I278). Most people in New York say "the koss-key-oss-ko bridge", though my understanding is that the pronunciation is more like "Ko-shuz-kuh"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko_Bridge

New Yorkers pronounce it “kozz-e-us-ko” or “kozz-e-oos-ko” not with a hard c towards the beginning.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by gringoDan »

bouncycastle wrote: post #17

Another similar figure was Pułaski. Came to America in similar circumstances, achievements included the saving of George Washington's life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski

Chicago (a city with many Polish immigrants) celebrates Casimir Pulaski day on the first Monday of March. Up until 2012 the Chicago Public School system had the day off.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by evanb »

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #45
evanb wrote: post #20

New York City just finished replacing the Kosciuszko Bridge, a critical segment of the BQE (I278). Most people in New York say "the koss-key-oss-ko bridge", though my understanding is that the pronunciation is more like "Ko-shuz-kuh"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko_Bridge

New Yorkers pronounce it “kozz-e-us-ko” or “kozz-e-oos-ko” not with a hard c towards the beginning.

There may be New Yorkers who say it that way, but not this New Yorker, his family, or the traffic report he listens to.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by Althorion »

evanb wrote: post #20

New York City just finished replacing the Kosciuszko Bridge, a critical segment of the BQE (I278). Most people in New York say "the koss-key-oss-ko bridge", though my understanding is that the pronunciation is more like "Ko-shuz-kuh"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko_Bridge

Unfortunatelly, neither. Main problem with his surname is the ‘ś’ (proper spelling is ‘Kościuszko’), which doesn’t appear in English at all. The closest equivalent I can think of is Japanese sound at the beginning of words such as ‘shinobi’, which I guess English-speaking people still pronounce like ‘sh’ in ‘fish’…

And then there’s ‘ci’, which is pronounced similar to ‘s’…

The closest I can get is ‘Koshch-oosh-kuh’, but that’s still not it (that would be spelled ‘Koszczuszko’).

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by caf »

satori99 wrote: post #32
viraptor wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not wrong unfortunately. It hurts me on a few levels when I hear the pronunciation butchered by pretty much all Australians. I understand why / don't hold it against them, but it's still totally wrong pronounciation.

Australians are notorious syllable droppers in general. Many of us don't even pronounce the name of our own country correctly in our own language. ('Straya)

The language known as Strine.
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