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Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by viraptor »

YayamiOmate wrote: post #21
satori99 wrote: post #18

> ... you probably haven’t heard of Andrzej Tadeusz Bonawentura Kosciuszko. Nor can you spell it or pronounce it; join the club, but we’re working on it. The largest mountain in Australia is named after him. So most Australians know, and can pronounce, his surname at the very least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kosciuszko

Emmm sorry to doubt Aussies, but type in Kościuszko in google translate and hit play. Their TTS is really good at pronounciation. It's hard to do it correctly if your native tongue is not slavic. I'd like to be wrong though. They should know the name, though. Yup. If anyone's inclined towards random wiki trip I suggest reading about Strzelecki, who named the moutain. He was an explorer.

You're not wrong unfortunately. It hurts me on a few levels when I hear the pronunciation butchered by pretty much all Australians. I understand why / don't hold it against them, but it's still totally wrong pronounciation.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by satori99 »

viraptor wrote: post #31
YayamiOmate wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emmm sorry to doubt Aussies, but type in Kościuszko in google translate and hit play. Their TTS is really good at pronounciation. It's hard to do it correctly if your native tongue is not slavic. I'd like to be wrong though. They should know the name, though. Yup. If anyone's inclined towards random wiki trip I suggest reading about Strzelecki, who named the moutain. He was an explorer.

You're not wrong unfortunately. It hurts me on a few levels when I hear the pronunciation butchered by pretty much all Australians. I understand why / don't hold it against them, but it's still totally wrong pronounciation.

Australians are notorious syllable droppers in general.

Many of us don't even pronounce the name of our own country correctly in our own language. ('Straya)

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by H8crilA »

chewz wrote: post #27

Most Amercans would be suprised to hear but US presidential election system had been influenced by Polish royal election rules. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_elections_in_Poland https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-how-and...

Polish democracy was like MySpace or Altavista, good overall direction but then suddenly failed spectacularly, during Stanisław II Augustus times. He got steamrolled by Catherine the Great.

The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better.

Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages: Polish, Latin, Ruthenian, German, Hebrew, Armenian) and a major European player.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by H8crilA »

evanb wrote: post #20

New York City just finished replacing the Kosciuszko Bridge, a critical segment of the BQE (I278). Most people in New York say "the koss-key-oss-ko bridge", though my understanding is that the pronunciation is more like "Ko-shuz-kuh"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko_Bridge

These days we can ask fancy NNs to do the pronunciation:

https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto...

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by chewz »

H8crilA wrote: post #33
chewz wrote: post #27

Most Amercans would be suprised to hear but US presidential election system had been influenced by Polish royal election rules. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_elections_in_Poland https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-how-and...

Polish democracy was like MySpace or Altavista, good overall direction but then suddenly failed spectacularly, during Stanisław II Augustus times. He got steamrolled by Catherine the Great. The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better. Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages: Polish, L…

Also Warsaw Confederation in 1573 was first European act granting freedom of religion.

A year after and influenced by St. Bartheleme's Day Massacre and general climate of religious violence in Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Confederation

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by [deleted] »

evanb wrote: post #20

New York City just finished replacing the Kosciuszko Bridge, a critical segment of the BQE (I278). Most people in New York say "the koss-key-oss-ko bridge", though my understanding is that the pronunciation is more like "Ko-shuz-kuh"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko_Bridge

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Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by viraptor »

chewz wrote: post #10

Kościuszko had been venerated as a saint during communism in Poland (first Polish Division formed in Sovitet Union was named after him, my school was named after him and many others). But today is omitted from history and forgotten. The problem with Kosciuszko (and some other Polish officers of the era like Jakub Jasiński) is that they were deadly serious with abolishing slavery in America and serfdom in Poland (basi…

> But today is omitted from history and forgotten.

That is just not true. He's featured quite a bit in history books. He's also in the required program for 4th year of primary school.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by r34 »

evanb wrote: post #20

New York City just finished replacing the Kosciuszko Bridge, a critical segment of the BQE (I278). Most people in New York say "the koss-key-oss-ko bridge", though my understanding is that the pronunciation is more like "Ko-shuz-kuh"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko_Bridge

Quite similar to original polish is "Koshciushco" as pronounced by GT.

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by chewz »

H8crilA wrote: post #33
chewz wrote: post #27

Most Amercans would be suprised to hear but US presidential election system had been influenced by Polish royal election rules. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_elections_in_Poland https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-how-and...

Polish democracy was like MySpace or Altavista, good overall direction but then suddenly failed spectacularly, during Stanisław II Augustus times. He got steamrolled by Catherine the Great. The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better. Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages: Polish, L…

> Włodkowic strongly supported the idea of conciliarism and pioneered the notion of peaceful coexistence among nations – a forerunner of modern theories of human rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawe%C5%82_W%C5%82odkowic

Re: Thaddeus Kosciusko

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Post by chewz »

H8crilA wrote: post #33
chewz wrote: post #27

Most Amercans would be suprised to hear but US presidential election system had been influenced by Polish royal election rules. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_elections_in_Poland https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-how-and...

Polish democracy was like MySpace or Altavista, good overall direction but then suddenly failed spectacularly, during Stanisław II Augustus times. He got steamrolled by Catherine the Great. The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better. Also, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a multicultural place (officially recognised languages: Polish, L…

> The second iteration of democracy (like Facebook/Google) build on the other side of the Atlantic aged much much better.

As Chou Enlai famously quiped about the outcome of French Revolution - "It's too early to tell if it was positive or not".

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