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Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by sandGorgon » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:24 AM UTC

unexpected wrote: post #47

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

Let's use your reasons, but look at it from the opposite side: 1) The largest contributor to the poor air quality in India is the practice of burning to clear fields, cook stoves that use wood, and the burning of cow dung [ https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17316978/india-pollution-levels... ]. One easy way to bring these people out of poverty is to provide them with good economic opportunities (like factory jobs!). High-…

This is super accurate. Fyi - new Delhi has the most stringent vehicular regulations in India. All commercial vehicles in Delhi run on natural gas - both petrol and diesel are banned.

India's pollution levels are not industrial or vehicular - they are agriculture waste burning. And they are timed with agricultural harvesting cycles.

We have super fragmented farmlands who are really poor and this causes bad practices of disposal .

We are a service based economy - but to be able to bring the bottom of the pyramid out of poverty, we need to accelerate manufacturing and bring modernisation into agriculture. Not to mention education.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by etaioinshrdlu » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:26 AM UTC

dirtyid wrote: post #24

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It would be Courageous to move all production out of the PRC, or any other totalitarian state. Interesting to note the article mentions iPhone 6, 6s and 7. I wouldn't have guessed these were still in production!

>move all production out of the PRC ... >Interesting to note the article mentions iPhone 6, 6s and 7 This is pretty much why Apple or other OEMs can't move all production out of PRC. Mainland supply chain and expertise is critical to rapidly refining and launching new products. Once manufacturing matures, the process can be exported to other countries. Apart from Indian, I don't think any other country can replicate…

Exactly, it would be a courageous move for the richest company in the world (by cash on hand, seems to still be Apple by a wide margin) to risk losing $$ for standing up with its moral values.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by shitgoose » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:27 AM UTC

dirtyid wrote: post #24

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It would be Courageous to move all production out of the PRC, or any other totalitarian state. Interesting to note the article mentions iPhone 6, 6s and 7. I wouldn't have guessed these were still in production!

>move all production out of the PRC ... >Interesting to note the article mentions iPhone 6, 6s and 7 This is pretty much why Apple or other OEMs can't move all production out of PRC. Mainland supply chain and expertise is critical to rapidly refining and launching new products. Once manufacturing matures, the process can be exported to other countries. Apart from Indian, I don't think any other country can replicate…

first iphone was announced in 2007. much less than one generation ago. india will be fine.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by mindfulplay » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:32 AM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #43

mindfulplay wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western concerns imposed on developing countries is not a good idea. Life here is safe and sound for us to think about climate change and other things. When people in India don't even have clean water or electricity they shouldn't give a shit about environment or other things. It took the US 200 years of development before it started working about these things. And the US is / was a developed nation.

This does not make climate change less of an issue. We're at an important turning point and the developed nations just can't stop it alone. Of course they should be doing way, way more and support ways of cleaner development financially.

Every single one of these new fangled issues was not an issue thirty years ago in the US. So...

What makes the West the arbiter of such issues for other countries?

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by xbmcuser » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:39 AM UTC

43920 wrote: post #31

vbezhenar wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhone 6 is surprising indeed, because upcoming iOS 13 does not support it. Selling devices which will stop updating in a few months sounds very bad.

Yeah, it's rather strange that Apple's dropping so many recent devices in iOS 13, especially since they specifically talked about improved performance on the 6 in the iOS 12 announcement [1]. They also dropped the 6th gen ipod touch, which they were still selling up until a few months ago. [1] https://singjupost.com/tim-cook-at-apple-wwdc-2018-keynote-f...

Why do you think they started updating system/apple apps outside of the iOS version releases. They can keep updating the apps and give security updates to the older version of iOS for previous gen phones.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by rasz » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:44 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #22

jorblumesea wrote: post #10

Is there any concern that the PRC issues are just a symptom of a developing nation bootstrapping? What are the chances that India does the same? Obviously China has some specific cultural issues but it might be hard for developing nations to resist the temptation to steal Western tech.

There are two main issues with IP and China. One is outright theft (the old fashioned way), Two is forcing local ownership and IP sharing. It's the latter that's most problematic for foreign businesses mfg in China. India AFAIK, unlike China and Russia, doesn't contractually force foreign concerns to hand over IP.

other than drug patents

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by whatshisface » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:45 AM UTC

nyrulez wrote: post #40

rorykoehler wrote: post #25

I have mixed feelings about the move of manufacturing to India. Whilst I would like Indians to be economically successful I can't ignore the ecological disaster that is happening in their country. It is absolutely terrifying. The air in Mumbai was unbreathable when I visited and it wasn't even ranking remotely near the top in the most polluted city air in India at the time (Delhi's was 3x as bad). Adding to this the…

I'm afraid you are right but people in India don't seem to care. I go there every year and life there compared to 10 years ago is night and day. Even in cities that are further away from the big 4 (e.g. north of New Delhi, even in Himachal Pradesh which used to be very clean as the Himalayas start there) have an extremely visible layer of smog, especially in winters. Pollution is pretty bad and water shortage is beco…

Why do they accept their holy rivers being polluted? Surely the religious leadership is not happy with that.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by handedness » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:49 AM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #17

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It would be Courageous to move all production out of the PRC, or any other totalitarian state. Interesting to note the article mentions iPhone 6, 6s and 7. I wouldn't have guessed these were still in production!

iPhone 6 is surprising indeed, because upcoming iOS 13 does not support it. Selling devices which will stop updating in a few months sounds very bad.

They’ll continue to receive security updates.

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by pushtheenvelope » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:52 AM UTC

code_duck wrote: post #38

pushtheenvelope wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is rather patronising. Every year that goes by where India doesn't raise its standard of living, results in millions of stunted childhoods and lives. India needs all the manufacturing growth it can get. The equivalent to your comment would be Indians on this forum leaving gratuitious remarks about the West ruining the planet with its excessively polluting ways. Just because you cannot see it around you,…

So there’s the choice of malnutrition or pollution?

Nope - I don’t think there is, but the parent (to my original comment) seemed to be suggesting so

Re: Apple begins exporting India-made iPhones to European markets

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Post by Redoubts » Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 2:53 AM UTC

43920 wrote: post #31

vbezhenar wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhone 6 is surprising indeed, because upcoming iOS 13 does not support it. Selling devices which will stop updating in a few months sounds very bad.

Yeah, it's rather strange that Apple's dropping so many recent devices in iOS 13, especially since they specifically talked about improved performance on the 6 in the iOS 12 announcement [1]. They also dropped the 6th gen ipod touch, which they were still selling up until a few months ago. [1] https://singjupost.com/tim-cook-at-apple-wwdc-2018-keynote-f...

Sounds like a perfect LTS release to me!