Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

tidbits.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 201 posts

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#191

Post by nfoz »

sireat wrote: post #176
nfoz wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough. I'm in love, which perhaps blinds me. Their Premium site gives a better gallery: https://ec-club.panasonic.jp/pc/premium/ And their colour/aesthetic customizations exceed anything I can find in the west: https://ec-club.panasonic.jp/pc/sp/customize_letsnote/ Panasonic has even had partnerships with e.g. Star Wars to have unique laptop-backing options, which is a bit wild for a business-series laptop. But…

How do you buy those Panasonics in US/Europe? eBay not showing anything relevant Thank you for showing that different options still exist for laptops. I remember using a Toshiba Libretto, and a weird Japanese Sharp 10-12 inch laptop in late 90s both of which seemed amazingly small. Now the XPS13 and Lenovo P1 that I use are nice but feel so.. normal.

You'll have to find a third-party cross-border sales shop with a presence in Japan. The company I was using for this before (Dynamism) doesn't do laptops anymore and only does 3d-printing hardware. So you'll have to find another. It sucks, and in such a connected world it's amazing how hard it is to buy some product series from different places.

I do miss the Libretto!

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#192

Post by ppeetteerr »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #102
ppeetteerr wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really (really!) appreciate how thin they are. The new 15in is as heavy as the old 13in. Really nice when you have to carry it around all the time. The biggest pain point is the lack of ports (4 ports including power) is not enough. The older models had around 5+ ports and still required dongles. Everything else aside from the keyboard is a minor issue (e.g. getting more ram today versus in the future is just a que…

> I really (really!) appreciate how thin they are. The new 15in is as heavy as the old 13in. Are these the same thing? Thickness and weight? How much more material is required to make a laptop a couple millimetres thicker? I would have assumed most of the weight reduction would be from making the battery smaller?

It's also more efficient processors and hardware in general. You get more power for a smaller battery, which results in a thinner frame and lighter laptop

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#193

Post by ppeetteerr »

jedberg wrote: post #96
ppeetteerr wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really (really!) appreciate how thin they are. The new 15in is as heavy as the old 13in. Really nice when you have to carry it around all the time. The biggest pain point is the lack of ports (4 ports including power) is not enough. The older models had around 5+ ports and still required dongles. Everything else aside from the keyboard is a minor issue (e.g. getting more ram today versus in the future is just a que…

> getting more ram today versus in the future is just a question of deferring costs Not really. I had a 2011 MacBook. In 2015 I was able to upgrade the RAM to chips that didn't exist in 2011. Technically they weren't supported, but they worked just fine. I couldn't have done that if the chips were soldered to the board. I also upgraded the drive from spinning disk to a much larger SSD. Again an upgrade I couldn't hav…

I meant that were the chips upgradeable, you would still spend the money, only you would do it later. With the components soldered on, you have to spend the money today, not 4 years later.

I'm also of the opinion that hardware today is going to improve rather little in the coming years. For instance, with the option of having 16/32gb of ram, I don't see the need to upgrade the laptop on account of the memory for a good 5 years, at least. Even the new SSDs have 2gb throughput, _much_ higher than the SSD you installed into your 2011 MacBook.

Finally, Macs have always had amazing resale value. You can always sell a 5 year model for a few hundred dollars and invest in something that will be much better.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#194

Post by ppeetteerr »

koyote wrote: post #161
ppeetteerr wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really (really!) appreciate how thin they are. The new 15in is as heavy as the old 13in. Really nice when you have to carry it around all the time. The biggest pain point is the lack of ports (4 ports including power) is not enough. The older models had around 5+ ports and still required dongles. Everything else aside from the keyboard is a minor issue (e.g. getting more ram today versus in the future is just a que…

But thickness != heaviness. My Thinkpad X1 is lighter than the Macbook Pro and has more ports.

Yeah, the Thinkpads seem like the best Windows laptops. If I used Windows, it would be an X1. Don't much care for the carbon fibre body (love the aluminum of the MacBooks) but the weight is excellent on those.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#195

Post by jedberg »

ppeetteerr wrote: post #193
jedberg wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> getting more ram today versus in the future is just a question of deferring costs Not really. I had a 2011 MacBook. In 2015 I was able to upgrade the RAM to chips that didn't exist in 2011. Technically they weren't supported, but they worked just fine. I couldn't have done that if the chips were soldered to the board. I also upgraded the drive from spinning disk to a much larger SSD. Again an upgrade I couldn't hav…

I meant that were the chips upgradeable, you would still spend the money, only you would do it later. With the components soldered on, you have to spend the money today, not 4 years later. I'm also of the opinion that hardware today is going to improve rather little in the coming years. For instance, with the option of having 16/32gb of ram, I don't see the need to upgrade the laptop on account of the memory for a go…

> I meant that were the chips upgradeable, you would still spend the money, only you would do it later.

Yes, but my point was that I couldn't spend the money up front even if I wanted to, because the thing I upgraded to didn't exist. It's not "deferred cost" if you get something better later. It's only deferred cost if you get the same thing but later.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#196

Post by bengalister »

jasonhansel wrote: post #49

For all the devs wondering how to replace their MacBook Pros: I highly recommend running Linux on a Lenovo X1 Carbon. I've also heard good things about System76.

Yes for devs switching to Linux is a good option. My home laptop is a Dell XPS 13 9380 running Linux (arch). I use it for browsing, doing some light development and occasionally video/photo editing. So far I am very happy with it except some few annoying software related issues but I can live with them: * pulse audio does not always auto-switch to the latest connected bluetooth audio device or it does but not use the right A2DP sink. I have to switch manually. * fractional scaling of the display under Wayland and Gnome. * battery life is still not as good as on Windows but it is not that far. * the fingerprint reader is not supported.

The keyboard is excellent, it is lightweight 1.2 kg. I opted for a 16Gb of Ram, 512 Gb SSD, i7 8556u, FHD model. The one with the QHD screen was 200 Euros more expensive but still 700Euros less expensive than an equivalent Macbook pro.

So far I don't see why I would change to a Macbook. Linux/Gnome are good enough for me.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#197

Post by tbrock »

kahlonel wrote: post #106
tbrock wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a hard +1 on this. Currently running Linux on an X1 carbon 6th gen and it is fantastic.

Did Lenovo fix the suspend issue yet, or did you apply the BIOS patch manually?

It’s fixed since about 7 months ago. It fully supports S3 sleep state.

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#199

Post by tomca32 »

pier25 wrote: post #117
jonplackett wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn’t you just get a Mac mini and save $1000s?

Because some people like moving?

Yeah, that's the main reason. I can still use it as a laptop and I bring it with myself when I travel somewhere, but when I'm home, it's pretty much a desktop

Re: Apple Updates Air, Pro Laptops, Kills Off the MacBook

#200

Post by tadfisher »

JadeNB wrote: post #122
tadfisher wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine. I myself will continue to purchase from Lenovo, who tried something similar to the Touch Bar and removed it after listening to customer feedback.

Lenovo actively lost my trust ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish ), as opposed to Apple which doesn't care about my opinion but is upfront about it.

Never installed on the ThinkPad line, so not my problem :)
Post reply on HN