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Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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I will never ever buy a MacBook Pro if they don't get rid of the TouchBar. The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers infuriates me. I only use a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it, and because my 2015 MacBook battery was dying and the only option the IT department gave me was to upgrade to the 2018 model. I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case, and will use…

What's your experience with Linux?

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Nope, a lot of people think it’s obsolete because of the Macbook Air. Larger screen, similar thickness, and a more powerful processor. They would still think so even if the 12” Macbook had an upgrade.

Not everyone thinks that a larger screen is an upgrade.

Did you read my original comment?

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F8 is right next to F9, which is super important for loading autosaves in Bethesda Softworks' games, so thats a big affirmative over here.

The main question was can you hit F8 without looking? Assuming your point was you can because you've become familiar with hitting F9 on a keyboard from your experience with Bethesda games, a better question would be: can you hit the F8 key without looking on a MacBook Pro (without Touch Bar), the laptop in question with an OS that doesn't play Bethesda games?

Damn, you are too good. I don't think I could.

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Quoting the Emacs web site: "To improve the use of proprietary systems is a misguided goal. Our aim, rather, is to eliminate them. We include support for some proprietary systems in GNU Emacs in the hope that running Emacs on them will give users a taste of freedom and thus lead them to free themselves."

Not sure what point you're trying to make, but the person I contacted maintains a mac-specific port of emacs which adds nice features that GNU emacs lacks and won't add because of politics. So I'm not concerned about GNU zealotry and how it relates to the touchbar.

I was making the point that this would never get to Emacs mainline. But sure, no reason why it couldn't end up in a fork, but the fork is not going to give you the same "taste of freedom" ;)

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Is the baseline MacBook Air sufficient for a CS major? I don’t want to spend extra for the pro.

Speaking from my past experience, any computer would suffice. But if you want to run decent IDE and don't want to wait for minutes for compilation (for some database and system classes), you might want to buy a laptop with decent CPU.(gen 7/8 i5 and above should suffice). Buying apple product is already "spending extra".

I have a CS degree and never, once, compiled anything that took more than a few seconds in undergrad (mostly Java). I used a 2013 MacBook Air. What are you compiling that’s taking minutes? I’m curious.

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I honestly don’t understand how an infinitely and easy customisable high-resolution million-colour second display, supporting multi-touch gestures, could be called useless by the majority of commenters on the site called Hacker News.

I was taught to touch type. I was taught that looking at the keyboard is a failure to type properly. What value does the touch bar offer me?

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Swore I'd never buy another Mac but bought one this week (had a Dell XPS15 for a year and a half) to supervise a cross-platform app development project and many things were annoying me with NixOS (clean but not quite there yet for desktop use and may never be: too many missing packages) which had replaced Gentoo (~biannual reinstall required due to portage rot), neither of which work perfectly on laptop hardware. (Also much of my Linux work is now embedded or remote and banks here in China require Windows VMs.) Wound up just going for it, not disappointed but fairly expensive as always.

It's true, the touch bar is annoying, and I am a vi user so escape is critical. But it's not really any more annoying than adjusting between apple keyboards and PC keyboards: a bit of muscle memory. I just wish you could disable the whole thing entirely, at least the lights, while keeping the escape key. Haven't figured out right click on the touchpad yet, it's currently quite irritating. The press-to-drag brightness is kinda cool, and the fingerprint lock is also cute. The Mac is about 1/2 the weight of the Dell, although the Dell was last-year's model on sale 1.5 years ago so that's to be expected. My back will thank me on business trips. USB-C is the biggest physical adjustment, and I'm all for it. Yet to select an appropriate external keyboard (might buy Apple) or HDMI adaptor (won't buy Apple), happy to take recommendations.

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Maybe it depends on how you type and rest your hand over the keyboard. For me I've had a macbook pro with touch bar for the last 6+ months and it hasn't gotten better at all. But in all honesty it's not just the touch bar, it's also the extra sensitive touchpad. For example you may notice extra spaces int his message or spaces in the middle of the words, that because of the touch pad, I think (I can't even be sure of…

I also had a lot of trouble with my work-supplied 2017 MBP. I found the touchbar completely useless and never got used to it. It would randomly experience crashes or lags, a problem I never had with the old function keys when I changed the brightness, altered the keyboard backlight, or modified the volume. Even worse, the keys seemed to be laid out in a way that my touch typing couldn't adapt to -- every time I worke…

I also received a touchbar Mac for work and within a week handed it back in exchange for a slightly older Mac without one. I realized I need a physical escape key. Getting the buttons back felt like an upgrade.

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I am a developer. The Touch Bar is useless to me. I remapped Caps lock to Esc expecting to be annoyed, but still hit Esc nonetheless because it works. And I deftly adjust volume using the Touch Bar slider using press-and-slide (not tap then pick-and-slide), relying on the += key for tactile positioning (but the position itself is largely muscle memory by now) I am also a musician. The Touch Bar is fantastic to adjust…

Interesting, I use Logic and have never, once, used the touchbar or thought of a use case for it. I use a keyboard usb-midi with simple pitch bend, sustain, tone wheel, etc controls. If I need to adjust a knob on a virtual control I simply use the mouse just like I’ve always done. The only thing I use the keyboard for is shortcuts like split/join tracks, solo, mute/unmute, new/dupe track. I don’t even need to look at the Mac keyboard because Apple has kept these consistent in Logic for years (which I expect).

Unless I’m missing something I can’t think of anything the touchbar could do better for me. (just my 2c anecdote)

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