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BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

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Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#51
I don't understand the rationale here:

> Determine if the BlueJeans desktop application is already installed. This allows us to offer a new installation or launch the existing app based on the user's machine.

If the "Detector" is installed, but the desktop app is not the user removed the BlueJeans app at some point because they didn't want it. How is silently installing it again against the user's prior wishes a reasonable behaviour?

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#52
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

join.me seems to have solved this problem effortlessly, and taking a gander at procs, I only see a client running. The BlueJeans rationale here isn't passing my anecdotal sniff-test...

Only problem I've found with join.me is performance. My experience may not be common, but there is so much stuttering with join.me that it's unusable... And I've tried it multiple times on different days with different people.

Aren’t you talking about their actual video stream though? The focus here seems to be on initiating the conference, which join.me does without installing a hidden web server on a users machine the way Zoom and BlueJeans do.

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#53

Why is this news? A lot of desktop applications do this. The Spotify client used to do it to enable play/pause controls from any webpage. Dropbox also definitely used the same method for single sign on, maybe still does, I don't use it anymore.

This is news to me, and I consider myself a power user.

I guess I'm losing touch with the user-hostile "innovations" coming out of the valley.

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahem. https://developer.apple.com/terms/apple-developer-agreement/...

And you are not forced to abide by the developer terms to release a program for the Mac just as I said. Despite all of the HN conspiracies, you can develop for and release code on the Mac without Apple’s permission. You don’t have to abide by those terms.

The Zoom and BlueJeans apps are both signed, which indicates they're part of Apple's Developer Program, and thus bound by its terms.

If you want to distribute an unsigned app and guide users into bypassing Gatekeeper for it, by all means, do so... but that's not what's happening in this case, nor is it particularly common due to the intentional hoops they make you (or more accurately, every single prospective user of your app) jump through.

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahem. https://developer.apple.com/terms/apple-developer-agreement/...

And you are not forced to abide by the developer terms to release a program for the Mac just as I said. Despite all of the HN conspiracies, you can develop for and release code on the Mac without Apple’s permission. You don’t have to abide by those terms.

Wait a while. Holding one's breath not recommended.

For those who don't want to (or cannot, due to the nature of their application) use the Mac App Store to distribute software, the requirements will only continue to get more specific until (to the extent possible) all executable code and resources are notarized and signed with an identity.

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#57
It looks like if you delete Blue Jeans.app and then restart (or log out), the webserver won't relaunch. It will attempt to run on load, but the actual script to start it invokes the app binary with a special argument, so deleting the app is sufficient.

The "log out" part is because the webserver will presumably continue running in memory after deleting the app until you force it to quit. It's possible that it watches for the app to be thrown away, but I don't have any way of testing that right now.

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#58
post #57

It looks like if you delete Blue Jeans.app and then restart (or log out), the webserver won't relaunch. It will attempt to run on load, but the actual script to start it invokes the app binary with a special argument, so deleting the app is sufficient. The "log out" part is because the webserver will presumably continue running in memory after deleting the app until you force it to quit. It's possible that it watches…

Yes, I’m the case of BlueJeans, the server sits inside the app bundle.

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#59
post #37

Why is this site completely unusable with cookies disabled? All I see is this: Technical Stuff To view this site, enable cookies in your browser.

Least you get something. I get a blank page when JS is disabled...

BlueJeans extends the war on its users to the browser

Re: BlueJeans also runs a webserver when installed on macOS

#60

I don't understand the rationale here: > Determine if the BlueJeans desktop application is already installed. This allows us to offer a new installation or launch the existing app based on the user's machine. If the "Detector" is installed, but the desktop app is not the user removed the BlueJeans app at some point because they didn't want it. How is silently installing it again against the user's prior wishes a reas…

You assume they care about the user. They don’t.
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