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Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by JJMcJ »

dbingham wrote: post #8

The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square for my local community. It's where people go to discuss the community's political challenges. So many important dialogs about local issues happen on Facebook, and it's the only real way to be a part of those conversations. Things like zoning, planning, city and county budgeting, ordinances, and so on. If I leave, not only do I lose the ability to…

some schools for instance, announcements to parents are made via Facebook, so an account is almost essential.

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Post by godelski »

canada_dry wrote: post #133
godelski wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this isn't so crazy of an idea, but any can't the city host it's own website with forums and everything? This could enable easier and more clear threading than Facebook, and you can look through history and pin topics/announcements. The library could be in charge of hosting it and archiving everything (isn't this already something libraries are supposed to do? The archiving of local news.) There's plenty…

> can't the city host it's own website with forums and everything Of course it could... but with tight public budgets it would likely be implemented so poorly as to be useless.

Well then as a rebuttal:

>> I'm sure a discussion somewhere like HN could quickly improve on this idea in a way that would be robust and easy to implement (because a key thing is that we want to get small towns to be able to implement this)

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by NikkiA »

dbingham wrote: post #8

The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square for my local community. It's where people go to discuss the community's political challenges. So many important dialogs about local issues happen on Facebook, and it's the only real way to be a part of those conversations. Things like zoning, planning, city and county budgeting, ordinances, and so on. If I leave, not only do I lose the ability to…

"Public Good" and "for profit" are incompatible.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by godelski »

canada_dry wrote: post #133
godelski wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this isn't so crazy of an idea, but any can't the city host it's own website with forums and everything? This could enable easier and more clear threading than Facebook, and you can look through history and pin topics/announcements. The library could be in charge of hosting it and archiving everything (isn't this already something libraries are supposed to do? The archiving of local news.) There's plenty…

> can't the city host it's own website with forums and everything Of course it could... but with tight public budgets it would likely be implemented so poorly as to be useless.

That's why I suggested a group of technologically savvy people undertake the challenge to devise a system that is trivial to implement. Cost likely isn't going to be much considering a small town isn't going to need much bandwidth and since many do already run websites (albeit shabby).

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by jadbox »

jolmg wrote: post #130
misterprime wrote: post #127

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Can you elaborate on the source of the cringe? I went to read it based on your description, hoping for a dose of cringe. In the end, I did not detect it. To me it seemed like a decent introduction to a tool designed to help get people take a look outside of their bubbles.

I think it's from > to playfully challenge perspectives, while unlocking achievements Who's looking to "playfully challenge perspectives"? and "[unlock] achievements"? Discussions aren't generally a game, but this seems to pitch it that way. I don't know about you guys, but I think more often than not, discussions are a generally stressful thing that people do because they must. The description might benefit in chang…

Ah, let me see if I can add some details and re-adjust the wording:

"DTC is a community-driven live discussion platform that matches you one-on-one to challenge ideas. The experience is fun and quirky as users control talking virtual avatars and rate each other on their politeness. Achievements are earned for good behavior (via similar techniques Overwatch uses to curb aggressive behavior), while toxic behavior is flagged to be reviewed by moderators. Good behavior is also rewarded with points that allow further avatar customization and new environment unlocks."

Does this help?

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by skinnymuch »

mayankkaizen wrote: post #91

I deleted FB 4 years back and at that time I had around 1000 'friends' on FB. Needless to say I didn't miss a thing and life has been only better. But there was one subtle interesting thing I noticed that nobody missed me on FB. Nobody was like, "wait, where did that guy disappear". The people who mattered were always around me and are still around me. Only after deleting FB I realized what a cancer FB was. I hear it…

People might notice but just not saying anything. I notice when occasionally someone is not on FB anymore. I rarely point it out. Because the reason is always the same one or two reasons.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Post by skinnymuch »

sdegutis wrote: post #69
nao360 wrote: post #63

Left 4 or 5 years ago for employer/work reasons. Had a couple of hundred friends, and a started few groups that accumulated thousands of members. Not surprisingly, everyone I mattered to managed to find me and reconnect via email, sms etc. I don’t miss it at all, and I’m happy I don’t waste time like that anymore! Community argument is compelling, but there are so many ways for communities to stay in touch now. I don…

The community argument isn't actually compelling. It creates "ghost-like" relationships, where you don't really know someone anymore and haven't for years, but act like you're still best friends, with occasional empty comments or likes. It's like eating cotton candy for dinner and acting like you have the energy a good steak would have given you. Many of them don't have email though, and phone chats are often difficu…

How can you do occasional visits if you don’t live nearby? A lot of people I know live across the country or in the middle of America or outside the US. Even seeing all of them occasionally would be very difficult. Unless you mean every few years? But that’s barely anything.

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Post by skinnymuch »

dawhizkid wrote: post #6
mrkstu wrote: post #5

While a great idea the problem of course is there isn’t a ready replacement for what Facebook provides. Where would families migrate to for communication/collaboration/community? The closest free alternative is of course Instagram, owned by Facebook. Who can build a privacy oriented alternative that charges and also gains a sufficient network effect?

Snapchat's stock has tripled in the last few months. Disclosure: I own a small amount of $SNAP.

It’s great for people who went in on Snap at its bottoming out. But Snap itself is volatile. A year ago or more it had an earnings where it rose 50% on the day.

The stock was in an insanely bad spot at the beginning of the year. It’s either an anomaly or shows again that Snap is really volatile, but not volatile enough to get really high for long. Also a lot of stocks were down (though not that much) at the time. Snapchat stock is doing okay. It isn’t going triple again or anything. It’ll be lucky if it stabilizes at IPO public opening price ever again.

Edit: I do think it’s entirely possible Snap goes up 50% again or something from where it is now for a short period during some earnings. I don’t think it’ll stay at that level for long any time soon though.

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Post by brbsix »

vuln wrote: post #67
hinkley wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen too many stories of people discovering their neighbors are racist/classist assholes on Nextdoor to want to participate. Leave me a few illusions about the inherent goodness of people.

Must be a geographical issue. I’m very active on next door and I’ve never seen such behavior. Sure there are a few spats like recently about fireworks but I’ve never witnessed anything “racist” or “classist”. I understand this is anecdotal, my experience might not match others.

Probably. I live in Seattle and people seem to frequently complain about having to see homeless and other "undesirables" in their neighborhood. I love it when their posts also include stealthy photos of the offenders in question. /s I've seen neighbors who live in my same building posting this sort of crap. Obviously there are a lot of issues to address in the city, and people should certainly find ways to do that, but I find it really maddening when people pile on and and take out all of their frustrations on a single person.
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