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Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Seconded. I found that I didn’t lose anything by leaving Facebook. The “social network” I thought I had was just a list of names I was familiar with and begged the question about any real relationship which had manifested. I had many relationships which were paper thin and folded the moment I left Facebook.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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> “People think they have a level of privacy they don’t. Why don’t they give me a choice? Let me pay a certain amount, and you’ll keep my data more secure and private then everybody else handing it to advertisers.”

I think advertisers are offering more money ;-)

Maybe the taxes should be higher for companies that make money from selling data.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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Paying for privacy sound nice but I never had a Facebook account and am 100% sure I got a profile.

Facebook goes through all the data of Facebook users I know.

So I am sure I am tagged on photos and they might already know a lot about me.

And that's what I think is most evil about Facebook. Even people without an internet connection might have a profile.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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While a great idea the problem of course is there isn’t a ready replacement for what Facebook provides.

Where would families migrate to for communication/collaboration/community? The closest free alternative is of course Instagram, owned by Facebook.

Who can build a privacy oriented alternative that charges and also gains a sufficient network effect?

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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post #5

While a great idea the problem of course is there isn’t a ready replacement for what Facebook provides. Where would families migrate to for communication/collaboration/community? The closest free alternative is of course Instagram, owned by Facebook. Who can build a privacy oriented alternative that charges and also gains a sufficient network effect?

Snapchat's stock has tripled in the last few months.

Disclosure: I own a small amount of $SNAP.

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post #5

While a great idea the problem of course is there isn’t a ready replacement for what Facebook provides. Where would families migrate to for communication/collaboration/community? The closest free alternative is of course Instagram, owned by Facebook. Who can build a privacy oriented alternative that charges and also gains a sufficient network effect?

For families? Our uses a mixture of e-mail, text/iMessage, iCloud photos and Dropbox

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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The thing that holds me to Facebook is that it's become the town square for my local community. It's where people go to discuss the community's political challenges. So many important dialogs about local issues happen on Facebook, and it's the only real way to be a part of those conversations. Things like zoning, planning, city and county budgeting, ordinances, and so on.

If I leave, not only do I lose the ability to participate in those conversations in a significant way - I lose awareness that they're even happening. The newspaper (what's left of it) certainly doesn't cover them. I have many friends who I see on a regular basis in person, but we don't always talk about all of them. And when we do, it's often inspired by conversations that were already happening on Facebook and a continuation of the conversations happening there.

We need a good replacement for this piece of it. Having an accessible, local town square where all the local activists, citizens, and officials can interact and dialog about local issues is really invaluable.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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post #2

Seconded. I found that I didn’t lose anything by leaving Facebook. The “social network” I thought I had was just a list of names I was familiar with and begged the question about any real relationship which had manifested. I had many relationships which were paper thin and folded the moment I left Facebook.

Facebook is actually good for groups & chat, but everything else around it ruins it. I just try to stick to other chat apps instead.

Re: Steve Wozniak Says People Should Get Off Facebook Permanently

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To me, Facebook provides enough value that I don't feel the benefits of deleting it outweigh the benefits of keeping it.

Without it, I have no connection at all to some of my old friends. While I don't necessarily need to be connected to them, it's nice to see how people are doing every once in a while.

LinkedIn fulfills this desire in some ways, but I don't typically connect with my "outside-of-work" friends on LinkedIn. Plus, LinkedIn has its own host of privacy issues, so it's not really a great replacement in the sense of improving privacy.

There are also the useful community aspects. I often find out about local events through Facebook. I suppose Meetup or similar sites could replace that function. But my friends also use Facebook's events to organize parties and stuff - I don't know any good alternative that's nearly as convenient.

I'm not convinced that deleting your account helps all that much anyways. You do make it harder for Facebook to listen in from your phone and things like that, but I'm sure they still keep a detailed profile on you. And you can get those benefits just by deleting the mobile app, without deleting your account.

I think the better reason to delete Facebook is the mental health issues with the whole spotlight effect or whatever that's called (where you only see the highlights of other people's lives which makes you feel like your life is boring). As long as you regulate your usage in a healthy way, I think whether you delete your account or not doesn't make much of a difference.

For now I just throw on a handful of privacy extensions (uBlock Origin, PrivacyBadger, Decentraleyes, Facebook Container, etc.) and accept that Facebook is going to know many things about me.

As a point of reference - my age group started using Facebook around middle school. So I have a lot of "friends" that I would have no way of keeping up with otherwise, and I'm not used to not having that ability. I suspect the sentiment is different for older generations who are used to losing touch with people. My parents, for example, have a couple old friends from whom they haven't heard anything in many many years. That concept doesn't mesh with the lifestyle I grew up with. It's not that there are many specific people I want to keep up with all the time - it's just nice to get random updates on random people you used to know well.

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