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The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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Re: The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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One peeve of mine is these sorts of folks complaining about the popularity of people like Jordan Peterson. Sure I agree that Peterson is confused, pseudo-profound, and misogynistic, but maybe if academics churned out more philosophy that spoke to the concerns of real people Peterson would have less of an audience. People like him are popular because academia produces only impenetrable walls of irrelevant jargon.

People don’t want philosophy; if they did then there are plenty of authors from Aristotle through the modern day. Existentialism is basically “how to survive in an arbitrary world that makes no sense”. It’s a fucking guidebook for the modern world built in the years before and after WW2. People en masse want pop-philosophy that confirms their existing beliefs. Nobody reads JP to become a better person, they do it to…

>Nobody reads JP to become a better person, they do it to feel better about being a shit person.

Isn't that the case for any other pseudo-profound pop-philosophy as well, not just JP?

And isn't JP so popular exactly because the more mainstream academic trend is so laughable?

Re: The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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post #22

A company was holding a competition for 'a great new idea to solve heart disease' with a huge million $ prize. our research group of 30+ people consisting mostly of faculty wanted to win it, so we broke our group into 6 or so sub-groups to come up with ideas and submit it to the greater group. my group wanted to submit as an idea 'tax on soda'. I was adamantly against the idea. Ignoring the fact that I don't think it…

To comment on a tangential issue...

> there was over 300 years (3 centuries) of higher education among the groups

I don't think simply adding up the total number of years of education is meaningful. Most of that education is redundant. If it were humanly possible I'd be more impressed by 300 years of education for a single person as it wouldn't have the same amount of redundancy.

You'll see this cumulative strategy appear in other areas as well, e.g., "our lawyers have 200 years of experience!"

Re: The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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Social sciences has yet to find their scientific method. Natural science was mostly bullshit before the scientific method and it set them straight. So in my opinion listening to social scientists today is kinda like reading Aristotle to learn about physics. A lot of thoughts for sure, and it sounds smart, but it totally lacks any connection to reality.

My part of political science has been (attempting to) follow scientific method since the 1940s. Its results have been... underwhelming. The main reason for this, bluntly, is that people are really damned complicated. They're difficult to model, they behave irrationally, even a minimal model has way too many variables. Hell, they don't even vote using the same heuristics that they did 50 years ago. There's a reason why abstract social science (like model-based economics) can look like it has little connection to reality, while the less abstract you get then the woolier and less scientifically satisfying it generally becomes. It's because getting crisp, reproducible, cumulative, results is extraordinarily hard.

Faced with that, you have two choices: keep trying to get better at what we're doing, or decide that these questions aren't worth answering (or that it isn't possible to). I think that better understanding the behaviour of people collectively organising themselves is vital, so I pursue the first. But I have sympathy with those that would prefer to work on something else.

Re: The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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I like attacking academics for careerism as much as the next guy (and especially in the context of the strange embrasure of post modernist authors) but they straight up aren't even talking about the worst form of this yet. The French authors listed at least had a sembalance of value from their works. Hell, I'd highly recommend everything Arendt wrote and Derrida wrote at least one good book on the Marx/Stirner rivalr…

Luckily, no one takes psychoanalysis seriously in the cognitive sciences. I can't imagine getting funding for a neuroimaging study of the Id.

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post #34

The "furious exchange of proper nouns" made me lul. "Derrida and Badiou at Tanagra!" It's like this because like the Tamarians, everyone in the discussion is assumed to be familiar with all of the background material -- and if you are not, then what the hell are you doing here? I saw this kind of elitism unfold here on Hackernews once. Someone once asked for an explanation of what deconstruction was and was told basi…

I wrote a long response to this and deleted it, so I'll just say this. Politics and philosophy are one of the few things where everyone feels qualified no matter how pedestrian or unqualified they are. So you'll have to forgive people for not bothering to listen to someone who hasn't read a book on politics or philosophy maybe in their entire life yet feel like their regurgitated Fox News talking points should be tak…

On the one hand, having a shared vocabulary and basis for understanding with others is often strictly necessary for fruitful academic debate.

On the other hand, just because someone hasn't read the same book doesn't mean they haven't already intuited the same concepts, or that they couldn't have a basis for understanding with you. Maybe I've never read Wittgenstein but I'm intimately familiar with Zen Buddhism, etc. Insular academic fields often feel like they are going out of their way to repel all the potential Ramanujans of the world, and I'm not sure I trust that it's always for the right reasons rather than to fulfill perverse incentives built into the structure of traditional academia.

Re: The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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From the article:

> Mayr’s observation draws attention to the fact that fashion is never merely additive; it demands we abandon certain things, and those abandonments can be, at the very least, premature.

I've observed these premature abandonments in my own area (a particular subfield of fluid dynamics), but I think its cause is more complicated than "academics follow fads". I think fads are part of it, but the grant funding cycle is another part. Perhaps grants are largely driven by fads. I wouldn't really know, but I can recall calls for proposals on fad X as applied to Y. I think part of it is that people rarely do actually comprehensive literature reviews, so they don't have a good idea of what's been done and what hasn't been done, so they might assume something isn't as novel as it actually is. Or their literature review might make them think that X is solved, but a little-known paper showed that X is actually more complicated than is commonly believed and not solved.

This dynamic means there's a lot of "low-hanging fruit" available that won't look like low-hanging fruit to most people. I'm happy to grab such things myself. A few years ago I made a large data compilation for a problem I'm interested in (~1200 data points from ~50 studies) and have written two papers from that already, with several more planned. Many people seem to implicitly assume this work has already been done because it seems "obvious", but I think large data complications of this variety are rarely ever done. Many things that are commonly believed are actually easily shown to be false with the right data. I'm planning to make a career of this. It's not sexy right now but that could change with time.

Edit: Data compilation is a commonly missed "last step" in a review. Most reviews I've read seem to collect the conclusions of analyses of small amounts of data. It's better to instead collect all the data, filter out the bad data, and draw conclusions from the compilation instead. A collection of the conclusions of small studies will have bad data, biases, and/or not generalize as well.

Re: The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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post #33

I am as anti-pomo/critical theory as it gets, but, sadly, this phenomena is very much present in the hard sciences as well. For example, about 10-15 years ago, the big craze in biology was microarrays, and the early papers made crazy promises about everything that they would deliver. With hindsight, it turned out almost all the early papers were fatally flawed and were drastically statistically underpowered: it turns…

Hmmm, I'm not so sure about this. With things like microarrays and other tech, sure there were promises that were too big. But the underlying idea (gene expression matters, there are lots of genes, we should measure them all) is correct.

To wit, RNA-seq has transformed cancer biology. And Nanostring is now offering a microarray-like technology with extremely impressive signal to noise. And we still use lots of tools initially developed for microarrays (Limma, for example). So I would argue the investment in microarray technology has absolutely paid off.

I think you're throwing the baby out with the bath water to say that, because a few bad eggs are effectively salesman and not scientists, that we wasted "hundreds of billions" of dollars (i.e., a large fraction of the NIH budget). The fact is, most research doesn't hold up not because the researchers weren't honest, or because they were salesmen, but fundamentally, because science is hard and it's really hard to be right for the right reason in science.

Alternatively, if you have a formula to determine, in real time, which results are hype and won't stand up vs. which are real and will, well, that would be something too.

Re: The Tyranny of Trendy Ideas in Academia

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Humans are humans. Some industries (e.g., academia, journalism, science, etc.) have mythical branding that positions them above bein human. They are not. History is pretty clear about this.

Such a flaw in and of itself isn't a bad thing. What it is, it is. The danger comes when others put too much (blind) faith in the myth, and not enough in the lessons history has already taught.

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