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Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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> No one says "hazelnut spread", they say Nutella. For one thing, Nutella is chocolate flavored. No one would ever even consider calling it "hazelnut spread".

It's both! https://www.amazon.com/Ferrero-Nutella-Hazelnut-Spread-26-5/...

Yes, I'm aware that it's made with hazelnuts. But in order for someone to refer to it as a "hazelnut spread", hazelnuts would have to be the dominant flavor. They're barely there at all.

(Compare the consistency of nutella to the consistency of peanut butter.)

Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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> i.e., experience them consciously, and secondarily to consciously experience the process of photography itself. > other than the conscious experience of the photographs and of the photography process? Is there a way of unconsciously experiencing these things?

None that I'm conscious of.

Hmm, I'm uncomfortable with the conflation of consciousness, awareness, sapience, and cognition.

Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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Slightly related: One thing I've learnt in Physics is that there are still a huge number of practical and fundamental problems to be solved. You might expect everything easy will already be done by now but that's just not true. Hence we still manage to write so many papers! In fact many Physicists have too many papers they want to write and not enough time to write them. This was a huge surprise for me coming in to m…

Are there fields like this in computer science where many papers are yet to be writen?

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Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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None that I'm conscious of.

Hmm, I'm uncomfortable with the conflation of consciousness, awareness, sapience, and cognition.

Also, most crucially, experience — qualia. How would you formulate the relations among these five possibly different things?

Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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There are various people speculating on the economic significance of this solution, which, to me, is rather missing the point. It's like measuring the significance of the excavation of Tutankhamen's† tomb by the tourist revenues of museums. The point of economics is that it keeps us alive so we can do math and also think in other ways; the point of consciousness is not to make money. I don't think there is any econom…

> The point of economics is that it keeps us alive so we can do math and also think in other ways; the point of consciousness is not to make money.

The point of consciousness absolutely is to make money - or rather, to improve the organism's efficiency and thereby survivability by making it capable of introspection and self-optimisation.

Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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> After months of working on solving the problem, Rafael González recalls, “I remember one morning I was making myself a slice of bread with Nutella, when suddenly, I said out loud: Mothers! It is there!” > He then ran to his computer and started programming the idea. When he executed the solution and saw that it worked, he says he jumped all over the place. It is unclear whether he finished eating the Nutella bread.…

Reminds me of that story about Archimedes. For anyone unfamiliar: supposedly, while bathing; he suddenly realized the principals of buoyancy. He then jumped out of the bath and ran down the street -- without clothes -- yelling "Eureka!" (I have found it). Not sure if this is true or just a legend, but I doubt we'll ever find out what happened to that Nutella bread either...

Probably should include what problem Archimedes has been stuck on until his realization of the principles of buoyancy gave him a solution.

The King had order a gold crown, and after receiving it suspected that the goldsmith may have replaced some of the gold with cheaper silver. The King asked Archimedes to figure out if the crown was pure gold.

Archimedes could do that by figuring out its density, but to do that he needed to get the weight of the crown and the volume of the crown. Weight was easy, but he had no idea how to get the volume, other than melting it down and reshaping it into a shape whose volume he could calculate. Naturally, the King wanted Archimedes to answer the question without destroying the crown.

His realization that the volume of water displaced by an object that is more dense than water is equal to the volume of the object gave him a way to get the volume of the crown without harming it.

Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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Slightly related: One thing I've learnt in Physics is that there are still a huge number of practical and fundamental problems to be solved. You might expect everything easy will already be done by now but that's just not true. Hence we still manage to write so many papers! In fact many Physicists have too many papers they want to write and not enough time to write them. This was a huge surprise for me coming in to m…

Are there fields like this in computer science where many papers are yet to be writen?

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Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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There are various people speculating on the economic significance of this solution, which, to me, is rather missing the point. It's like measuring the significance of the excavation of Tutankhamen's† tomb by the tourist revenues of museums. The point of economics is that it keeps us alive so we can do math and also think in other ways; the point of consciousness is not to make money. I don't think there is any econom…

> The point of economics is that it keeps us alive so we can do math The most hacker news comment I read all year

It reminded me of a quote from Stephen King [0] "life is not a support system for art; it's the other way around".

[0] beautifully rendered as a short comic here https://zenpencils.com/comic/king/

Re: Goodbye Aberration: Physicist Solves 2,000-Year-Old Optical Problem

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> The point of economics is that it keeps us alive so we can do math The most hacker news comment I read all year

I notice you don't seem to have dared to say you disagree — would you say that the point of consciousness is to make money?

Although I agree with your main point (it's closer to the truth that the point of economics is so that we can do mathematics, than the other way around), perhaps it can be refined to incorporate the fact that not all experience is cognitive; not all enjoyment is intellectual. The feeling of joy/bliss/whatever from being with friends and family, of doing a job well, of leaving a legacy, of having good health, dignity, curiosity, material comfort, relationships, spiritual growth, having a good “life story” for oneself / serving some higher purpose etc (everything on “Maslow's hierarchy“), are not always cognitive or even conscious in nature, though some (like curiosity) tend to be.

The Greeks used the word eudaimonia for this highest / all-encompassing utility function (the experience that everything is in service of: the “point”); in Indian thought it's called ānanda. But yeah, making money is only a means to it, and not the point. (Even this understanding can get clouded. In Indian thought, “religion” only posits a higher ānanda that can be obtained by experience of the divine, without denying the everyday sorts of joy that resemble it. In Western thought, influenced by the monotheistic religions with their opposition between true and false, the fact that neither money nor comfort is the highest good gets reflected in ideas like “money is the root of all evil” or “Happiness versus Meaning” that tend to vilify them in order to counter our impulses towards them, rather than recognize them as being partial means to some components of happiness. It's fine; whatever works I guess.)

PS: Totally offtopic, but thanks for your transcript of Knuth's Web of Stories interview!

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