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Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by IshKebab »

mercora wrote: post #103
IshKebab wrote: post #78

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I still think the NSA employs Linux devs so they can deliberately insert flaws. Why would they not? It would be very easy. But every time I mention it people reply "But but many eyes! They'd get caught!"

I want to point out that they could similarly hire someone working at microsoft, or get someone up for a position there, to do this and it would be at least as hard to detect...

You could, but it would be more difficult (though easily within the ability of the NSA).

To contribute to the Windows kernel you'd have to get someone hired by Microsoft, who presumably check their employment history (maybe), they have to actually go and work for Microsoft, etc. Obviously none of that is impossible but it's also obviously much harder than sending a patch to a mailing list.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by IshKebab »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #85
IshKebab wrote: post #78

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I still think the NSA employs Linux devs so they can deliberately insert flaws. Why would they not? It would be very easy. But every time I mention it people reply "But but many eyes! They'd get caught!"

Although possible, they don't have to given how many bugs Linux developers already put in on a regular basis: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/1...

That is scary.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by lostlogin »

thehashrocket wrote: post #160
andrepd wrote: post #154

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I find myself just searching what I want + "reddit", to avoid the seo crap.

Can you trust reddit, though? There's plenty of social media campaigns out there that have people plugging stuff on reddit to promote some company or agenda.

Try it and see. It’s good for fixing many problems that relate to coding too, but are of the type closed on Stack Overflow. Sure, the problem is basic, but when I’m stuck a ‘duplicate closed’ is unhelpful.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by i_cant_speel »

goldenkey wrote: post #126
dorgo wrote: post #111

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> What I've learned from this is that if you Google for some popular product, the first 5 pages are going to be SEO-optimized shilling sites. Just skip to page 10. Is a less SEO-optimized site less likely to be a scam?

Yes, because knowledge isn't SEO-optimized by default. It takes time to do so. And time is money. And 99% of the time, those who are willing to spend a lot of time to get on the first page of Google are doing it to gain money, not to spread knowledge.

I don't disagree with your main point, but spreading knowledge and making money aren't mutually exclusive.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by rootw0rm »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #94
luckylion wrote: post #43

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Now you just need to figure out which one owns which and then chain them cross vendor, and hope that "he's connecting to a chinese spy vpn" doesn't put you on any list ;)

Most people on HN are probably on several lists. If I mention "The Anarchist Cookbook" then I imagine every username on this page will be added to a GCHQ list, I'll probably have my internet traffic mined to establish if I downloaded it (which they arrest people for in the UK -- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-41802493 ). Presumably they have my online purchase history that relates to reagents, etc.. I…

the AC probably doesn't do much. but...as the subject of a joint FBI/NCIS investigation some years ago I can definitely say that at least in the USA they have a long memory...

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by lostlogin »

anxman wrote: post #120
mercora wrote: post #103

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I want to point out that they could similarly hire someone working at microsoft, or get someone up for a position there, to do this and it would be at least as hard to detect...

Large companies like Microsoft assume that there are advanced persistent threats that are willing to place HUMINT inside of their companies. The companies have dedicated internal teamd focused on detecting them. For example, Twitter recently fired someone that was leaking information on dissidents to a foreign government.

I wonder if they would do that if the leak was to their own government.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by lostlogin »

ubercow13 wrote: post #47
debaserab2 wrote: post #34

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So what organization with that kind of credibility is offering a free vpn? If Mozilla did, it probably would get the kind of attention and focus you’re suggesting. I just don’t see a lot of companies with a similar vision as Mozilla that are successful.

Cloudflare is going to offer a free VPN

Wow, thanks. I’d happily pay them.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by lostlogin »

mrunseen wrote: post #36
harshreality wrote: post #15

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Safe? Against what? - Preventing websites from seeing your true IP? (you'll want to disable webrtc as well[1].) Mostly yes. - preventing your ISP from spying on your traffic? (allowing Amazon to spy on your traffic in exchange...) Yes. - Avoiding risk of legal threats if you engage in copyright infringement? Mostly no. They can subpoena Amazon instead of your ISP, and your lightsail/EC2 ip isn't shared. Routing throu…

I live in Turkey and I got myself Wireguard set-up with wireguard+lightsail. I can say I got same trouble as no-VPN. For example I cant view profiles on Twitter when im on VPN. btw Turkey is notorious for blocking sites, Youtube got blocked for months, Wikipedia is still blocked today..

Do people talk about the blocks and why they are there? It’s such a crude tool, but presumably it works as it’s done in way too many places.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by Fnoord »

homero wrote: post #95
Traster wrote: post #91

People should take this list with a serious health warning. Firstly, a lot of this is just 'internet sleuth'ing and innuendo. Plenty of companies want to operate multiple services to be able to use different marketing and differentiation strategies. Secondly, the fact that the site is funded by affiliate links to a coupole of the big VPN services should really ring alarm bells. I trust we all learned from the Mattres…

VPNs are the best data mining solution out there. You're literally giving them all traffic plus using their DNS. TLS helps a lot now but DNS hurts.

If you tunnel 0.0.0.0/0 or equiv through it, sure. You don't have to, though.

I just run my own VPN server on my cable internet. It allows all my roaming devices Pi-Hole access, and the same privacy as my cable internet.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by Fnoord »

auslander wrote: post #124
pnutjam wrote: post #100

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Don't use any VPN providers client, stick to straight openvpn.

Better yet, use IKEv2, not openvpn. Windows, MacOS and iOS has native IKEv2 clients. And most probably in Linux too :) Just make and install VPN profile as yourvpn.mobileconfig text file.

Better yet, use WireGuard.
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