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Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by oarsinsync »

dontbenebby wrote: post #141
Traster wrote: post #91

People should take this list with a serious health warning. Firstly, a lot of this is just 'internet sleuth'ing and innuendo. Plenty of companies want to operate multiple services to be able to use different marketing and differentiation strategies. Secondly, the fact that the site is funded by affiliate links to a coupole of the big VPN services should really ring alarm bells. I trust we all learned from the Mattres…

This is why I self host algo vpn. I seriously doubt my hosting provider would jeopardize their business by snooping on/messing with a vpn given the breach of trust would cause large customers to ditch them.

Unfortunately, your hosting provider gets to see

1. Tunnelled & encrypted (and in most cases, easily identifiable as VPN) traffic coming from your VPN client to your server

2. Untunnelled traffic from your server to whatever server endpoint you're visiting.

Correlating the two, even when it's a massive multi-user service, is not difficult for a hosting provider with half a clue to do. Especially when handed a police order (which they usually have an obligation to not tell you about).

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by joyjoyjoy »

Comparison of VPNs

https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-comparison-chart/

I made bad experience with NordVPN based on reliability but they gave my my money back after 3 months with no questions asked.

Astrill is good but pricey. Astill will work in countries that try to block VPNs. CON: Astrill leaks DNS like a mother...er. I can get it under controll with ufw

ufw default deny outgoing && ufw allow out on tun0 && ufw allow out on tun0 to [IP of your DNS] port 53

You may want to use Softether instead of OpenVPN or the provided client of your VPN. I am only awar of two VPNs that provide Softether access:

https://www.rapidvpn.com/setup-vpn-softether-ubuntu

https://proxy.sh/panel/knowledgebase/1893/Securely-connect-t...

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by andrepd »

qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #134
emerongi wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone making tens of thousands a month from shilling VPNs. They have site where they "review" and "rate" VPNs. The reality is that the customers of those products barely understand them and are buying into the BS of "stay anonymous" and "be private online". It's an easy market, especially considering you don't even need to develop the VPN software, just run instances on some cloud/VPS provider and do a ton o…

> What I've learned from this is that if you Google for some popular product, the first 5 pages are going to be SEO-optimized shilling sites. Just skip to page 10. This is a big problem with Google, today. Say I want to search for something - not to buy it - just some facts. The immediate first pages are all sites on how to buy, costs, online stores. I have to go to 8 or 9 to start seeing what I want. This is today's…

I find myself just searching what I want + "reddit", to avoid the seo crap.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by derefr »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #117
Traster wrote: post #91

People should take this list with a serious health warning. Firstly, a lot of this is just 'internet sleuth'ing and innuendo. Plenty of companies want to operate multiple services to be able to use different marketing and differentiation strategies. Secondly, the fact that the site is funded by affiliate links to a coupole of the big VPN services should really ring alarm bells. I trust we all learned from the Mattres…

I watch a bunch of tech related YouTube channels and the amount of NordVPN shilling is outrageous. Some fine folks making good content telling their audience that "your ISP is seeing everything you do but if you use a VPN you are safe, it's totally not like the VPN provider is then able to do exactly what the ISP could before!" Even worse the VPN provider is usually operating from some country with much less regulati…

I mean, there’s something left unsaid in all of those VPN advertisements, that goes something like this:

> You live in the US, right? And you pirate stuff, right? Or maybe you Google things that would get you put on the TSA no-fly list? Well, with a VPN, it won’t be your US ISP that has access to your traffic—and then has to give it over to the MPAA and the NSA—but rather a VPN company from some foreign country, who has no such obligations. Sure, they can sell your data to anyone they like... but it’s not like the USGOV or the various media cartels are buying data. If they can’t compel it for free, they don’t bother (and they certainly couldn’t fully trust data sourced from a company headquartered in a non-allied country anyway, so why would they bother?) Someone somewhere might know about your VPN traffic, but it probably won’t be someone out to get you. Just someone out to sell you stuff.

Or, if you prefer:

> You live in Hong Kong, right? And you have some vocal opinions about Chinese sovereignty, right? Well, with a VPN, it’s not the Chinese government that sees your traffic, but rather....

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by Avamander »

Kaveren wrote: post #127
iforgotpassword wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watch a bunch of tech related YouTube channels and the amount of NordVPN shilling is outrageous. Some fine folks making good content telling their audience that "your ISP is seeing everything you do but if you use a VPN you are safe, it's totally not like the VPN provider is then able to do exactly what the ISP could before!" Even worse the VPN provider is usually operating from some country with much less regulati…

don't forget the "military grade encryption" NordVPN makes the youtubers include sometimes.

But if you take a closer look at many of them, they actually do TLSv1.1 with weak primitives, have weak CA certs or other problems in their system.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by JadeNB »

auslander wrote: post #138
nurettin wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is interesting, but openvpn also has clients for android, macos, ios and windows as well as linux (gnome nmcli has it baked in, you can just import an ovpn file)

Yeah, but the key is you don't want to install third-party apps. You already have IKEv2 client within your OS. Trust no one :)

Except the programmers of the IKEv2 client in your OS …?

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by auslander »

emerongi wrote: post #104
Traster wrote: post #91

People should take this list with a serious health warning. Firstly, a lot of this is just 'internet sleuth'ing and innuendo. Plenty of companies want to operate multiple services to be able to use different marketing and differentiation strategies. Secondly, the fact that the site is funded by affiliate links to a coupole of the big VPN services should really ring alarm bells. I trust we all learned from the Mattres…

I know someone making tens of thousands a month from shilling VPNs. They have site where they "review" and "rate" VPNs. The reality is that the customers of those products barely understand them and are buying into the BS of "stay anonymous" and "be private online". It's an easy market, especially considering you don't even need to develop the VPN software, just run instances on some cloud/VPS provider and do a ton o…

> Just skip to page 10

Results not from top 1M (1K, 10K, 100K) sites: https://millionshort.com/

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by Tomspark »

Traster wrote: post #91

People should take this list with a serious health warning. Firstly, a lot of this is just 'internet sleuth'ing and innuendo. Plenty of companies want to operate multiple services to be able to use different marketing and differentiation strategies. Secondly, the fact that the site is funded by affiliate links to a coupole of the big VPN services should really ring alarm bells. I trust we all learned from the Mattres…

Yes I can confirm VPNPRO is most likely owned by NordVPN. The site itself wrote a hit piece trying to defame me (falsely claiming I work for one of there competitors). Ironically, lots of Nord shills also think I am the CEO of PIA or something. This article lines up perfectly with Nord's "MO" of casting blame around at other companies to deflect themselves from the bad PR.

Now NordVPN is trying to remove my reviews on my Youtube: https://youtu.be/gZdQx9iv_1U, and they've been caught blackmailing another VPN provider.

The site always rushes to NordVPN's defense when any bad news is going on, and there are several shills on Reddit trying to spread this article around.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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Post by thehashrocket »

andrepd wrote: post #154
qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I've learned from this is that if you Google for some popular product, the first 5 pages are going to be SEO-optimized shilling sites. Just skip to page 10. This is a big problem with Google, today. Say I want to search for something - not to buy it - just some facts. The immediate first pages are all sites on how to buy, costs, online stores. I have to go to 8 or 9 to start seeing what I want. This is today's…

I find myself just searching what I want + "reddit", to avoid the seo crap.

Can you trust reddit, though? There's plenty of social media campaigns out there that have people plugging stuff on reddit to promote some company or agenda.
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