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Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You trust Tor exit nodes over vpn providers?

Is there any need to trust Tor exit nodes at all?

Is all traffic you send across them secured in a way that the exit node can't do anything bad to it?

(Tor exit nodes have been caught injecting malware into binaries downloaded over HTTP through them, for one possible problem if it isn't)

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#132
post #2

Nearly as disturbing as the number of people who tell me they use free VPNs. It is a bit mind boggling that folks are concerned about something and use a VPN...but choose a free one...

Paying for it means losing any semblance of anonymity, without any guarantee that they won't just keep on logging everything that passes through.

Not true. Good VPN providers accept anonymous payment in cash. E.g. IVPN[1].

[1] https://www.ivpn.net/knowledgebase/91/How-can-I-pay-with-cas...

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#133

My research into VPNs led me to a strange thing: VPN Gate [0]. It is community run VPN servers, by University of Tsukuba, Japan (6953 Public VPN Relay Servers) with free public access, Username: 'vpn', Password: 'vpn'. Still trying to grasp what it is :) [0] https://www.vpngate.net/en/

It looks interesting and probably without gotcha, but it’s rather naive as it seems to rely on volunteers to act as relay/exit node.

I wonder how many ran into trouble due to dubious anonymous traffic exiting their IP...

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#134
post #91

People should take this list with a serious health warning. Firstly, a lot of this is just 'internet sleuth'ing and innuendo. Plenty of companies want to operate multiple services to be able to use different marketing and differentiation strategies. Secondly, the fact that the site is funded by affiliate links to a coupole of the big VPN services should really ring alarm bells. I trust we all learned from the Mattres…

I know someone making tens of thousands a month from shilling VPNs. They have site where they "review" and "rate" VPNs. The reality is that the customers of those products barely understand them and are buying into the BS of "stay anonymous" and "be private online". It's an easy market, especially considering you don't even need to develop the VPN software, just run instances on some cloud/VPS provider and do a ton o…

> What I've learned from this is that if you Google for some popular product, the first 5 pages are going to be SEO-optimized shilling sites. Just skip to page 10.

This is a big problem with Google, today. Say I want to search for something - not to buy it - just some facts. The immediate first pages are all sites on how to buy, costs, online stores. I have to go to 8 or 9 to start seeing what I want.

This is today's Google.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#135
post #133

My research into VPNs led me to a strange thing: VPN Gate [0]. It is community run VPN servers, by University of Tsukuba, Japan (6953 Public VPN Relay Servers) with free public access, Username: 'vpn', Password: 'vpn'. Still trying to grasp what it is :) [0] https://www.vpngate.net/en/

It looks interesting and probably without gotcha, but it’s rather naive as it seems to rely on volunteers to act as relay/exit node. I wonder how many ran into trouble due to dubious anonymous traffic exiting their IP...

Why naive? What is wrong relying on volunteers? Goal is to hide your traffic from ISP and your real IP from internet. Volunteer's VPN do just fine :)

> dubious anonymous traffic

price of freedom from corps and govs.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't use any VPN providers client, stick to straight openvpn.

Better yet, use IKEv2, not openvpn. Windows, MacOS and iOS has native IKEv2 clients. And most probably in Linux too :) Just make and install VPN profile as yourvpn.mobileconfig text file.

That is interesting, but openvpn also has clients for android, macos, ios and windows as well as linux (gnome nmcli has it baked in, you can just import an ovpn file)

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#137
post #84

ExpressVPN are on a podcast advertising spree, so I thought I’d give them a look. I tried to pay using Bitcoin and got a generic “There was an error” error. And when I say generic, I mean ‘I recognise the Semantic UI React default error block’ generic. I used their live chat support. “Is this normal,” I asked. “No,” I was told. I tried again a day later. Same. I tried them on Twitter. Nothing. So, it seems that Expre…

> So, it seems that ExpressVPN have a good marketing budget and little else.

you don't happen to work for any one of the competition do you? anyhow I have been very happy with them, their servers tend to be pretty fast. So add that positive anecdote to his negative anecdote, how useless.

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better yet, use IKEv2, not openvpn. Windows, MacOS and iOS has native IKEv2 clients. And most probably in Linux too :) Just make and install VPN profile as yourvpn.mobileconfig text file.

That is interesting, but openvpn also has clients for android, macos, ios and windows as well as linux (gnome nmcli has it baked in, you can just import an ovpn file)

Yeah, but the key is you don't want to install third-party apps. You already have IKEv2 client within your OS. Trust no one :)

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#139
post #54

Not sure if it really helps when making a choice but here's an extensive overview of 185 VPN services over 30+ factors: https://thatoneprivacysite.net/#simple-vpn-comparison

The point is not to make a choice but to be informed about how the industry is somehow tied together in interesting ways. I would also add that many of these VPN services turn your machine into a drone where you knowingly or unknowingly enter into a contract so that they can sell your bandwidth to paying customers to provide them with randomized IP pools so that they can scrape amazon and alibaba.

I thought it was just one that does it. The one that advertises a free VPN. Do you have a list of companies who resell traffic?

Re: VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies

#140
post #91

People should take this list with a serious health warning. Firstly, a lot of this is just 'internet sleuth'ing and innuendo. Plenty of companies want to operate multiple services to be able to use different marketing and differentiation strategies. Secondly, the fact that the site is funded by affiliate links to a coupole of the big VPN services should really ring alarm bells. I trust we all learned from the Mattres…

The article you cited, to support your claim that NordVPN is owned by a data harvesting company, says the opposite. It says that Tesornet only provided general business consulting to Nord, and that Nord users have nothing to worry about.

It seems there are a lot of back and forth allegations about this topic on the internet. I don't know the truth. That article doesn't really demonstrate anything, though, and your tone seems unhelpful.

As a general rule of thumb, adjectives are often a crutch for weak arguments.

>"Shifty panamanian company"

But they explicitly chose to locate in Panama because it is exempt from 5 Eyes government data spying. That seems the opposite of shifty.

> "Suspicious links to data harvesters"

Have you ever used Google or Facebook? Run a service on GCP? If you run a service on GCP I could say you have "suspicious links to data harvesters." This seems like a scare tactic, lacking substance.

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