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Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by swuecho »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #31
Theodores wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone in Israel has to do military service so you would be hard pushed to create a company selling pea shooters that did not have ex-military in it. As for 'military intelligence' that is a large part of what the military actually is, so you would expect them to graduate into tech roles rather than making pea shooters or anything else 'harmless'.

According to Wikipedia everyone in China has compulsory military service, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army Makes the revelation that "some people working at Huawei have links to Chinese military" just so shocking. Trump's totally right we should all buy USA tech and not use Huawei for 5G. /s When's the list for other countries being published?

Actually, a lot Chinese family consider military service as some kind of 'education' for their kids, especially in rural area. At least in the area I come from, you have to bribe someone to get the quota to serve in the military.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

yogthos wrote: post #82
half-kh-hacker wrote: post #60

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Regarding: > - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. In my opinion, citizens of China have it far worse, due to things like the Great Firewall. I'd much rather live in the US than China, at least it's vaguely democratic.

Yet, citizens of China have enjoyed a steady increase in the quality of life across the board, while the opposite has been happening in US. Meanwhile, US is an oligarchy and not a democracy. A long term study from Princeton shows that the main predictor of any law being passed is whether it's favorable to the rich. The public opinion does not matter: >What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainl…

citizens of China have enjoyed a steady increase in the quality of life across the board

3 million Uyghurs in internment camps have increased quality of life? ~400 million still stuck ineural farms? The gap between the to 1% in China and the bottom is vastly larger than in the US. And of course it is easy for China to “improve” coming from the ruins of the cultural revolution. There was nowhere to go but up.

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Post by theautist »

My personal opinion is that I'm not at all surprised by this. The Chinese government is a one-party rule that controls all aspects of life. Criticize the government or the party there and you're gone. They would be foolish, with the things they're known to do, to not take advantage of such big opportunity to spy on many countries. I think it's very reasonable for western democracies to be careful before embedding Chinese (or any other authoritarian country) high tech in their infrastructure.

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Post by ptx »

geofft wrote: post #80
b_tterc_p wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these points are all out of a reasonable time frame or far exaggerated against American government vs the Chinese government Like, yeah, we have police brutality, and it’s a real problem. But did we crush a bunch of student protestors into human pancakes and then forbid anyone from talking about it? No.

Did you know about the Jackson State massacre or the Orangeburg massacre, in both of which the police killed college and high-school students? Or the 1985 police bombing of a residential neighborhood in Philadelphia that killed six adults and five children and destroyed 65 houses? The US doesn't need to suppress people from talking. There's enough social control that people don't talk in the first place. The informat…

It's still a bit different, though.

I hadn't heard of these incidents before, but when I read your comment (which would have been censored in China) I searched for "philadelphia 1985" and quickly found an old clip from Frontline reporting on the events (which would have been censored in China) on YouTube (where it would have been censored in China, setting aside that YouTube is blocked entirely).

Wikipedia (which is blocked in China) also has an article (which would have been censored in China if not already blocked), saying that the police first evacuated the surrounding houses and there was a protracted gunfight before they bombed "a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof". This is not quite comparable to the military killing thousands of unarmed protestors.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

monocasa wrote: post #92
koolba wrote: post #89

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> I don't think China is any more evil than the US. So if I'm okay with using infrastructure from AT&T and its Room 641A, Verizon and its Quantico circuit, and the various PRISM companies, I have no logical reason to object to infrastructure that may be similarly compromised by the Chinese government. One big problem is that there is no recourse against China. Unless you have some long term plans of joining their pol…

What path? The NSA was found to be breaking the constitution, and as far as we know hasn't stopped.

> What path?

Through legislation and free deliberation.

> The NSA was found to be breaking the constitution

No, it hasn’t. Many believe it is, but the courts have so far upheld the NSA’s activities.

The American public’s views on the topic are mixed [1]. The fight is in convincing the public this is an issue.

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/29/what-americ...

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Post by mindfulplay »

geofft wrote: post #99
pciexpgpu wrote: post #91

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This comment is regurgitating stats and numbers without much context. I feel that over-priveleged peoples in the West with a really good life and pretty much every comfort available, often tend to just look at these superficial charts and numbers and tend to gloss over the context in these other countries. It's pretty sad really that you are comparing China to the USA in this way just by mentioning that the USA is a…

So - as an overprivileged person in the West, I believe I am happier living in the US than in China. There are a lot of freedoms and comforts available to me as an upper-middle-class person. Were I not, I suspect I'd be happier in China. And there's no shortage of e.g. college students from China who want to return after their studies instead of trying to stay around America and get a work visa. They're smart, and th…

Majority of Chinese students would want to stay in the US. Based on my very informal unscientific study over the last many years. Recently the visa backlog implicitly pushes people away, no lack of demand. In fact too much demand.

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Post by b_tterc_p »

geofft wrote: post #80
b_tterc_p wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these points are all out of a reasonable time frame or far exaggerated against American government vs the Chinese government Like, yeah, we have police brutality, and it’s a real problem. But did we crush a bunch of student protestors into human pancakes and then forbid anyone from talking about it? No.

Did you know about the Jackson State massacre or the Orangeburg massacre, in both of which the police killed college and high-school students? Or the 1985 police bombing of a residential neighborhood in Philadelphia that killed six adults and five children and destroyed 65 houses? The US doesn't need to suppress people from talking. There's enough social control that people don't talk in the first place. The informat…

Those are not similar events. All of them have been condemned and appear to have largely been driven by individual reckless actors. Excuses about police believing they were under fire are dubious, but the fact that the excuses indicates the mentality behind how these actions are viewed (not ok).

Police brutality is a serious problem. But it’s not the same problem as those enabled the TS massacre.

> The US doesn't need to suppress people from talking. There's enough social control that people don't talk in the first place. The information is all out there and technically public, which against the US populace is more effective in making sure people don't think of the police as they should.

Anti police sentiment is a huge national issue.

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Post by monocasa »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115
monocasa wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What path? The NSA was found to be breaking the constitution, and as far as we know hasn't stopped.

> What path? Through legislation and free deliberation. > The NSA was found to be breaking the constitution No, it hasn’t. Many believe it is, but the courts have so far upheld the NSA’s activities. The American public’s views on the topic are mixed [1]. The fight is in convincing the public this is an issue. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/29/what-americ...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-judge-says-nsa-...

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115
monocasa wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What path? The NSA was found to be breaking the constitution, and as far as we know hasn't stopped.

> What path? Through legislation and free deliberation. > The NSA was found to be breaking the constitution No, it hasn’t. Many believe it is, but the courts have so far upheld the NSA’s activities. The American public’s views on the topic are mixed [1]. The fight is in convincing the public this is an issue. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/29/what-americ...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-judge-says-nsa-...

https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/yjolt/vol11/iss1/8/

The evidence suggests that blanket surveillance is a thing, and that's it very clearly unconstitutional.

Of course in this situation it's always possible to appeal to "national security" but that's an unconvincing legitimisation unless it can be proved that national security has been enhanced to an extent that warrants the suspension of constitutional protections.

So far as I know this has never even been tried in court, never mind proven.

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