The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016) • Hacker News Board

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by rskar » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:07 PM UTC

sureaboutthis wrote: post #6

spodek wrote: post #2

I predict that olive oil will soon go through the transition that orange juice did. When I was a kid, people viewed orange juice as healthy. Now we see it as unhealthy -- just the sugar. Maybe some vitamin C, but not many people get scurvy. Whatever health benefits it has are overwhelmed by the otherwise empty calories. People want to believe more olive oil will make their diet into a healthy Mediterranean one, but i…

Maybe some Vitamin C?! Orange juice is 71% vitamin C! And there is NO added sugar except maybe in the cartons you must be buying at your grocery store. Olive oil is basically "just fat"?! You make me think that you think the fat in olive oil is no different than the fat in pork or beef. With those thoughts in mind, most of what you eat is just a little of this and just a little of that and "basically just fat" but it…

Fruit juices should be seen as a form of processed sugar - even if the processing is not as substantial as making table sugar. Whole fruit - such as a whole orange or grape or apple - is a much better and nutritional choice.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/17/health/fruit-juice-sugary-dri...

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/juice-and-diabetes.html

https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5001

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by microcolonel » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:07 PM UTC

seszett wrote: post #5

> Black olives, though labeled as “ripe” on supermarket cans, actually aren’t: these, a California invention Maybe that's true of all black olives in the US, I don't know, but black olives are supposed to be ripe olives. Only the cheapest black olives are not ripened, and at least in France they cannot be called just "black olives". They're easy enough to distinguish as they are smooth and firm like green olives, rat…

Black olives in Canada and the U.S. refers exclusively to "California ripe olives" (at this point not the brand, which IIRC still exists, but the process), they've been called that in North America for longer than they've existed elsewhere, so to mandate the name be qualified on shelves would cause more confusion than it would solve.

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by brownbat » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:10 PM UTC

sureaboutthis wrote: post #6

spodek wrote: post #2

I predict that olive oil will soon go through the transition that orange juice did. When I was a kid, people viewed orange juice as healthy. Now we see it as unhealthy -- just the sugar. Maybe some vitamin C, but not many people get scurvy. Whatever health benefits it has are overwhelmed by the otherwise empty calories. People want to believe more olive oil will make their diet into a healthy Mediterranean one, but i…

Maybe some Vitamin C?! Orange juice is 71% vitamin C! And there is NO added sugar except maybe in the cartons you must be buying at your grocery store. Olive oil is basically "just fat"?! You make me think that you think the fat in olive oil is no different than the fat in pork or beef. With those thoughts in mind, most of what you eat is just a little of this and just a little of that and "basically just fat" but it…

The benefits of Vitamin C have been wildly overstated, thanks mainly to Linus Pauling, whose theories on its therapeutic and preventative effects have been consistently debunked in large studies, with some studies even associating high doses of Vitamin C with increases in some types of cancer in mice:

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.h...

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by seszett » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:12 PM UTC

bpierre wrote: post #18

seszett wrote: post #5

> Black olives, though labeled as “ripe” on supermarket cans, actually aren’t: these, a California invention Maybe that's true of all black olives in the US, I don't know, but black olives are supposed to be ripe olives. Only the cheapest black olives are not ripened, and at least in France they cannot be called just "black olives". They're easy enough to distinguish as they are smooth and firm like green olives, rat…

It’s sadly both allowed and common in France [1][2], the term they use is either “olives noires” (black olives) or “olives noires confites”. [1] https://www.carrefour.fr/p/olives-noires-entieres-3560070340... [2] https://www.carrefour.fr/p/olives-noires-denoyautees-crespo-...

They do have to say "confites" (I don't know how to say that in English), they can't call them just "olives noires", but I didn't realize they could write "olives noires" on the package and say "ingredients : olives noires confites". That seems very dishonest.

But in Belgium they can just call them "olives noires / zwarte olijven" and indicate "stabilisator E579" in the ingredients, which I think is even more dishonest.

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by falcor84 » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:14 PM UTC

mbel wrote: post #7

duck2 wrote: post #3

My grandma has an olive grove. When I last visited her, she offered me a jug of cured olive. I told her I find cured olives still bitter. She seemed very surprised and said she can't taste anything but olives recently. Maybe she leaves them a little bitter, because the bitterness is very "tasteable". I find it interesting how olive is praised in places it's planted. It's not just my grandma who adores olive. If you c…

> What's even more weird is all abrahamic religions mention olive in their books. Not weird at all. After all they all originate roughly from the same region.

Exactly, and they mention pretty much every other major food item from the area too.

Also, being direct influences on one another, it would be enough for the old testament to make a big deal out of olives, to make the conditional probability of the others doing so very high.

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by Retric » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:16 PM UTC

sureaboutthis wrote: post #17

dasd99 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And there is NO added sugar This is NO good argument - even without added sugar, orange juice is on par with coke (about 10 gram sugar/100 ml).

I will put people who say this in the same category. Anyone who thinks added sugar is the same as fruit sugar...well...

Coke uses high fructose corn syrup in the US. The sugar in orange juice is largely fructose. The name is the same because it’s the same thing.

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by tluyben2 » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:18 PM UTC

I have many olive trees in my garden and the dogs seem to like them raw from the ground. Guess they don't notice the bitter protection effects.

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by sho » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:19 PM UTC

sureaboutthis wrote: post #15

seszett wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe some Vitamin C?! Orange juice is 71% vitamin C! Not it's not 71% vitamin C, it's about 0.05% vitamin C. 125 ml of orange juice provides about 71% of the daily vitamin C needs (60 mg), which is probably what you meant but very different from what you actually said.

Yes, it's what I meant but it will be lost on so many people.

Maybe you need to be a little less "sureaboutthis"

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by sho » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:20 PM UTC

sureaboutthis wrote: post #17

dasd99 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And there is NO added sugar This is NO good argument - even without added sugar, orange juice is on par with coke (about 10 gram sugar/100 ml).

I will put people who say this in the same category. Anyone who thinks added sugar is the same as fruit sugar...well...

> I will put people who say this in the same category

The category of "being correct"

Re: The Bitter Truth About Olives (2016)

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Post by seanalltogether » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 12:22 PM UTC

dasd99 wrote: post #13

sureaboutthis wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe some Vitamin C?! Orange juice is 71% vitamin C! And there is NO added sugar except maybe in the cartons you must be buying at your grocery store. Olive oil is basically "just fat"?! You make me think that you think the fat in olive oil is no different than the fat in pork or beef. With those thoughts in mind, most of what you eat is just a little of this and just a little of that and "basically just fat" but it…

> And there is NO added sugar This is NO good argument - even without added sugar, orange juice is on par with coke (about 10 gram sugar/100 ml).

No sugar added! lots of water removed