Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook • Hacker News Board

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#551

Post by shrimpx » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:03 PM UTC

Ductapemaster wrote: post #507

vishwajeetv wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it supports 4K but not at 60 fps. You are stuck at 30 fps.

I have a 2015 and a 4K monitor and can confirm that this is the case. 30fps isn't great but it is usable for most day-to-day computer work. However there is a workaround if you are willing to disable SIP and play around with a program called SwitchResX. You can customize the display timings in such a way that allows 4K60 video to just sneak in under the bandwidth limits of the Thunderbolt ports. It also requires a Th…

2015 can drive 4k at 60hz over displayport if the monitor supports displayport. HDMI output is limited 30hz afaik.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#552

Post by gurkendoktor » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

electrichead wrote: post #493

andrei_says_ wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

Even very old Macs can handle 1440p, which is a great non-Retina resolution at 27".

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#553

Post by geuis » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:05 PM UTC

zachberger wrote: post #542

andrei_says_ wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

What's wrong with the large trackpad?

Yeah I dislike the bigger trackpad. There’s nowhere to comfortable rest my hands on it. At work they gave me a 2018 MBP and after 2 weeks of suffering I returned it for a 2015 version.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#554

Post by switz » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:06 PM UTC

zerkten wrote: post #514

darkpuma wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be both. I know people who have it configured to be escape when it's pressed and released, but control when it's held down in combination with another key.

How do you do that? I normally use the keyboard preferences to change the capslock on my MBP to control. I'd like escape there too, but I'd like to avoid running additional software to enable it.

I use Karabiner and it's truly a wonderful piece of software. I'm super sensitive to any lag or missent keys, but this actually works very well and I don't even think about it anymore.

Here's the modification I use: https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/complex_modifications/#caps_l...

"Change caps_lock to control if pressed with other keys, to escape if pressed alone."

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#555

Post by shrimpx » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:07 PM UTC

dmos62 wrote: post #515

electrichead wrote: post #493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

1080p is not fine enough? How much information are you used to having on screen at a time? How much text, for example?

I cant deal with 1080p anymore, and large (27"+) 1080p monitors make no sense to me. Maybe they're good for people who need to have physically large text etc. but I find it useless for fitting information densely on the screen. I for one would rather use my 13" MacBook pro laptop screen than a large 1080p display. (I use a 24 inch 4k monitor and it's pretty great.)

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#556

Post by m463 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:13 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #341

Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

If Apple gets rid of the TouchBar + fixes the keyboard that'd eliminate 90% of the complaints against Macbook Pros.

actual macbook pro problems to be solved:

problem: flat keys suck

- the force of a keypress is concentrated on one point of fingertip

- finding the edge/center of a key is very hard

solution: concave keys

the keyboard on the first generation macbook pro were SIGNIFICANTLY better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro#/media/File:MacBoo...

it was more comfortable - even luxurious - to type on, and your fingers could find keys and center themselves.

problem: dongles

- people will never have USB-C flash drives

- people will not have USB-C televisions

- people will never have USB-C ethernet

solution: ask people and give them back a few dedicated ports

problem: touchbar

- people actually touch-type

- some keys like escape are frequently used

solution: restore regular keys PLUS a touchbar above

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#557

Post by Anarch157a » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:14 PM UTC

efficax wrote: post #466

audunw wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But will they still keep that awful touchbar where the Esc and F1-12 are supposed to be? If you use the escape key often, it should be where caps-lock is. Mac OS X even has a built-in setting for this. If you only use it once in a while, it doesn't really matter that it's a virtual touch key. F1-12 has always been a horrible interface. They're too far away from home row. There's a reason why many hyper-optimized ke…

> If you use the escape key often, it should be where caps-lock is. Mac OS X even has a built-in setting for this. Blasphemy. Caps lock should be banished from all keyboards and replaced with control.

> Caps lock should be banished from all keyboards

Blasphemy! How am I supposed to type variable names in Bash without it ?

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#558

Post by rayiner » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:20 PM UTC

robdachshund wrote: post #528

rayiner wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the bulblet and bought a used 2013 15” MBP after a year in Lenovo exile. Cost me $600 for a six year old computer, but it feels great.

Man you guys really have Stockholm syndrome.

I gave it a serious go for a year. Spent $1,600 on a Lenovo X1 Carbon. Wiped the disk and installed LTSC. The one feature it had that Apple didn’t (the built-in LTE) never worked properly. Stability was good, but lots of odd nits. (Auto-hiding taskbar would sometimes stop hiding.) Battery life was a crap-shoot. Rage quit and ordered the MacBook when it went from estimated 30 minutes remaining to dead in 5 minutes.

Speaking of which: Do you want to buy an X1 Carbon 6th gen? i7 8650U with 16Gb RAM and 256GB SSD.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#559

Post by pier25 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:22 PM UTC

irq wrote: post #541

tga wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"With OS X Yosemite 10.10.3 and later, most SST 4K (3840 x 2160) displays are supported at 60Hz on these Mac computers: MacBook Air (Early 2015) and later MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015) and later MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014) and later" https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587 Earlier years will only do 30Hz, which is fully usable for development/office work.

Anecdote: I find 30 Hz to be totally unusable for development/office work. The jerky movement of the mouse cursor, jerky scrolling, etc, is all painful to my eyes. So, I think very much, YMMV, but 60 Hz is safe.

Yeah me too. It feels like the mouse is lagging.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

#560

Post by tomxor » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:23 PM UTC

miles wrote: post #471

gambiting wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 2009 MacBook Pro (Core2Duo + 4GB of ram), I've added an SSD years ago, and it runs absolutely fine, I use it almost daily to browse the web. Even the battery still works(only for about an hour, but it does).

> I have a 2009 MacBook Pro (Core2Duo + 4GB of ram), I've added an SSD years ago, and it runs absolutely fine, I use it almost daily to browse the web. ... the updates stopped at El Capitan unfortunately. ... I'm not that bothered. You might want to consider running Manjaro[0] or Haiku[1] instead (I've had great luck with both on older MacBooks [2,3]). Nessus reports El Capitan as a "Critical" vulnerability due to la…

i've got a 2008 MBP, these are great Linux machines unlike the latest macs. Very well supported hardware. Only issue I had was the custom gmux chip but it only takes a few lines of c to make a switch.