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Mass Surveillance in the United States

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The police kills more people in the USA then all terrorists combined (about 1000/year).

More people die from choking on food every year in the USA than die from terrorism AND police.

Even more people die from heart attack due to unhealthy diets but that does not justify any police killing.

Re: Mass Surveillance in the United States

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"By 2020, about 30,000 unmanned drones are expected to be deployed in the United States for the purpose of surveillance and law enforcement"

Given the direction it's going, USA will likely want face recognition in the streets in the near future. I wonder how will the government convince their citizens it's for their own good. Maybe it will start in troublesome neighborhoods, show some benefits, and slowly expand everywhere.

The same way they used 9/11 to sell mass surveillance: using fear. Home invasions, muggings, child predators, think of the children. Maybe have news networks report more about certain type of crimes. Make sure to report on the few instances that installed cameras did help solve. If street cameras do stop some crimes, it will be difficult to argue against them, because you can't really have an expectation of privacy in the street.

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I'm not against more surveillance cameras in public places. As a photographer, I have the right, and should continue to have the right, to film in any public place. Private businesses and the government should do it too. Put cameras on all police officers and as many public employees as possible. As long as fair access is maintained to the footage, the more the better.

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I'm not against more surveillance cameras in public places. As a photographer, I have the right, and should continue to have the right, to film in any public place. Private businesses and the government should do it too. Put cameras on all police officers and as many public employees as possible. As long as fair access is maintained to the footage, the more the better.

Police officers often go into private homes. Should the video be made public? What about freedom of information act?

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>what happens when quantum computing decrypts these all? if it's 15 years from now, do they just throw us all in prison retroactively for something we said 15 years ago? They're only gonna decrypt your messages if they want to throw you in prison. Welcome to arbitrary enforcement.

I have a sneaking suspicion you are right. They will decrypt all communications, maybe, but go after the average citizen and not the senator or large donor.

They will go after the people they want to put away, and find a reason to get them.

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This is a silly comparison. Terrorist can kill 30 people in one attack or even break down a whole building with a bomb. When did 30 people choke by one piece of food? And we don't have another 911 may because of mass surveillance. Shall we try removing the surveillance to see whether terrorist attack increases?

Maybe spending untold billions of dollars on a mass surveillance state that cows the population into authoritarian submission is a phyrric response to the threat of terrorism. Terrorism which is exacerbated by our own shadowy geopolitical agendas... And it's ludicrous to say "We shall have a mass surveillance system or mass terrorism!", as if security theater revealed the actual effectiveness of such actions! Do you…

"cows the population into authoritarian submission" ? I don't see this happening at all. There have been countless protests against the Trump administration, and the main stream media has being criticizing the Trump administration every single day. Please give me an example supports your projection.

Re: Mass Surveillance in the United States

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I'm not against more surveillance cameras in public places. As a photographer, I have the right, and should continue to have the right, to film in any public place. Private businesses and the government should do it too. Put cameras on all police officers and as many public employees as possible. As long as fair access is maintained to the footage, the more the better.

Police officers often go into private homes. Should the video be made public? What about freedom of information act?

No. I'm referring to public property. But the police should still be wearing body cameras if they go into a private home and the video should be available to the homeowner if he/she wants to contest something.

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I have a sneaking suspicion you are right. They will decrypt all communications, maybe, but go after the average citizen and not the senator or large donor.

They will go after the people they want to put away, and find a reason to get them.

And the easier it gets the lower the bar becomes.

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How many are arrested because of mass surveillance captures the person criticizing Trump / Obama, Or the Republican / Democratic party?

That's not how the way the US Government behaves. Publicly criticizing is OK. If you want clues to who they really are insidious look at Cointelpro and how the police will incite peaceful gatherings into mobs to justify shutting them down and killing people. You can stand on a soapbox and criticize until you are blue in the face, but try to make an active difference and you will be murdered like the Black Panthers.

Trump has wanted to change that. Like his friends in Russia, China, and North Korea.

I knew of the program you mentioned but not it’s name. Thanks for that!

Submitted it HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20356021

Re: Mass Surveillance in the United States

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How many are arrested because of mass surveillance captures the person criticizing Trump / Obama, Or the Republican / Democratic party?

That's not how the way the US Government behaves. Publicly criticizing is OK. If you want clues to who they really are insidious look at Cointelpro and how the police will incite peaceful gatherings into mobs to justify shutting them down and killing people. You can stand on a soapbox and criticize until you are blue in the face, but try to make an active difference and you will be murdered like the Black Panthers.

This is not exclusive to USA. Since democracies can't indiscriminately arrest dissidents without appearing totalitarian, their workaround is disrupting those movements to criminalize them.

In Mexico, gasoline prices became unregulated in 2017. Historically, governments have made oil a very sensitive national issue, so strong nation-wide opposition was expected. Except it didn't happen. The strategy was simple:

1. Organized looting began almost immediately. Looters were organized by Whatsapp, being told the time and place of the next looting.

2. Police stayed put, and some even participated in looting.

3. The press equated the looters with gasoline price hike protestors. In their narrative, looters were protestors, and vice-versa.

4. Public opinion disapproved of looting, and consequently disapproved of protestors.

5. Profit!

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