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Post by dgzl »

Dayshine wrote: post #272
dgzl wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you suggest? If you intend on redefining it in a way that takes away property rights, then I won't support it and neither should you.

How about a trade-off, something like: In order to receive "Safe harbour" copyright immunity for uploaded user content, you have to have fairly lax rules on content (e.g. only blocking actual criminal content, which is all youtube have done before this, right?). If you want to significantly curate your content, you can't hide behind the legal protection of "uncurated user content".

> If you want to significantly curate your content, you can't hide behind the legal protection of "uncurated user content".

Is YouTube gaining some benefit from pretending to be an open platform? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

Likewise, isn't copyright infringement is a criminal offense?

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Post by dorusr »

keithnz wrote: post #72
userbinator wrote: post #7

What's next, cracking and reverse-engineering? Debugging? (Anti-authoritarian) programming ? As usual, Stallman tends to be quite prescient: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html (perhaps more like "right to watch" in this context.)

youtube is not the internet, it's a privately run silo. I think it's actually better if people stop using it for everything. We've somehow got to the point where we are demanding private companies somehow preserve our freedoms simply because we've entrenched ourselves in their commercial products and given them control over content. Let youtube curate their content, I wish they'd do it more. Then maybe we will start…

There's a real threat in Google (Youtube) controlling what is shown on their platforms. We might be informed and willing to try alternatives, but the masses don't (yet). This gives Google enormous propoganda power, and it is clear they already use this power to further their own agenda. It's not about freedom of speech, it's about deplatforming: the ability for your speech to be heard by the masses. The argument that you can just go elsewhere is like saying you can hang up your manifesto in the forest instead of on the church door.

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Post by jtbayly »

m0skit0 wrote: post #253
ArchD wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

secure system != security system There is such a thing as an insecure security system.

So if I build a flawed security system, it is not insecure?

Of course it is. Just what the parent said. It is an insecure security system. (As opposed to a secure security system.)

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Post by beaconstudios »

scoutt wrote: post #181
torified wrote: post #165

The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments. I can't help but feel the ruining is accelerating. I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are. The discovery problem is an illusion. If you build it, they will come.

Don't be so pessimistic. There are still plenty of resources and places to discuss whatever you want. Youtube is like that big commercial avenue in the city, where you can only see mainstream stuff. If you look for the bookstore that has hacking/engineering/pyscology books, you'll have to go elsewhere. But it has always been this way.

there's plenty of niche content that finds its home on YouTube. It's as if the commercial avenue was infinitely large and could contain every shop you could wish for.

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Post by rv-de »

patrickaljord wrote: post #285
rv-de wrote: post #283

One word: Vimeo.

Vimeo recently banned Project Veritas (which is still up on youtube), Alex Jones and plenty of other channels. Not sure it's a less censuring alternative.

I think every platform has the right to censor and also the duty to do so. Like gore or cp etc. This shapes a profile for a platform. In vimeo's case they distanced themselves from some conspiracy theory fanatics which is fine with me. Meaning I endorse that profile as a visitor and who doesn't just needs another platform.

And one reason why those outlets (like Alex Jones & Co.) often aren't accepted around for long is because they attract rather garbled minds with some tendency towards toxic social interaction.

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