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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by scoutt »

torified wrote: post #165

The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments. I can't help but feel the ruining is accelerating. I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are. The discovery problem is an illusion. If you build it, they will come.

Don't be so pessimistic. There are still plenty of resources and places to discuss whatever you want.

Youtube is like that big commercial avenue in the city, where you can only see mainstream stuff. If you look for the bookstore that has hacking/engineering/pyscology books, you'll have to go elsewhere. But it has always been this way.

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Post by syshum »

jammygit wrote: post #20
userbinator wrote: post #7

What's next, cracking and reverse-engineering? Debugging? (Anti-authoritarian) programming ? As usual, Stallman tends to be quite prescient: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html (perhaps more like "right to watch" in this context.)

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

>>> but a little too uncompromising,

You can not compromise on freedom, for once you allow a single exception that allows authoritarians to take your freedom in "limited" situations, they will quickly invent more and more situations to take more and more of your freedom until none remains

If you value liberty, uncompromising protection of that liberty is the only way to secure it

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Post by yusi-san »

torified wrote: post #165

The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments. I can't help but feel the ruining is accelerating. I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are. The discovery problem is an illusion. If you build it, they will come.

>I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are.

There are decentralized/open/ethic friendly services alternative to big corporations services. In the case of Youtube there's PeerTube[1] for exemple (even if in that case there's a IP leak due to the p2p protocol if I remember correctly).

The sad thing here is that people decide to stay on the "big" services due to the network effect, and few people decide to boycott them just to follow principles.

[1]https://joinpeertube.org/

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Post by vmurthy »

ilaksh wrote: post #108
ekianjo wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best thing we could do at this stage is provide alternatives to Youtube, sooner than later.

There are lots of decentralized alternatives. People just don't use them much yet.

To paraphrase an old joke : "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too empty". What you describe there is the classic problem of Network effects. The limitation is not on the tech side of things. People don't use the decentralized services because either favourite content isn't there. Producers don't post to the decentralized service because the consumers aren't there. Unfortunate reality :-( I really don't want so much power concentrated in the Facebooks and Googles of the world.

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Post by syshum »

userbinator wrote: post #41
jammygit wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

I think he was a bit off with regards to source code/open source, because while having source code helps in understanding and modification, it's not essential; you could similarly imagine a world in which open-source wasn't a huge movement but instead the right to reverse-engineer (or basically, understand ) software was guaranteed, and it would have as great an effect on freedom; perhaps even more so, because now it…

in the US DMCA did infact make alot of Reverse Engineering a violation of Copyright

Most EULA's prohibit Reverse Engineering and companies like Oracle have entire legal teams dedicated to prohibiting reverse engineering going as far as prohibiting people from reporting security vulnerabilities discovered using "reverse engineering techniques"

Further the wide interpretation the courts have allowed under CFAA can easily be applied to reverse engineering as well, i.e "Exceeding authorized use" making reverse engineering of software a felony under US Law

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Post by pluma »

rehasu wrote: post #162

Well, well, well. Does a high tech community need Youtube as a video platform though? The famous German hacker community "chaos computer club" simply uses their own platform to begin with: https://media.ccc.de/

The benefit of YouTube isn't primarily video hosting. The benefit is discoverability and (to a certain extent) community.

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Post by zaarn »

jessewmc wrote: post #30
izacus wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cracking and reverse-engineering DRM is already illegal with the accepted US laws, so it's not far fetched for YouTube to be forced to remove those videos as well.

But it is decidedly legal to publish materials that explain how to do so.

Are you sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_prime

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Post by cyphar »

duckMuppet wrote: post #180
cyphar wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a shift in viewpoint -- earlier in the life of computers, the hardware was seen as the really valuable part of a computer. So companies would provide the source code because that was simpler (the software was "just a toy"). But then software became the valuable component, and so businesses (as is a recurring theme in capitalism) didn't want to give away something that might be potentially profitable. And so…

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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by tomtompl »

mrhappyunhappy wrote: post #58
quotemstr wrote: post #11

This ever-increasing censorship is the inevitable result of buying into the idea that speech can be "harmful" and that big tech companies have some kind of "responsibility" to remove it.

Tell that to the surviving members of families who died at the hand of isis who do their recruiting on Facebook of all places.

that's so shallow.

One could easily counter you with "tell that to the surviving members of families who died at the hand of terrorists who walked into the europe without a right to do so"

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by paulcarroty »

Most of people of course don't like the pressure, but it's looks too classical: Youtube is a monopoly in video hosting. Monopolist always dictate his own rules, so better be prepared to adventures.

My channel monetization was banned and I'm very grateful, there's a lot of bigger things to do.

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