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Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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I think that's unlikely. If I am not mistaken, the EU directive will not be implemented for another two years.

Is there an advantage for Spotify to allow 2 more years of copyright-infringing uploads that they have to clean up later? Is there another plausible reason for Spotify shutting down direct uploads that's unrelated to copyrights?

Fraud[0] comes to mind. By requiring the artist to be signed with a label, Spotify can more easily police this kind of behavior.

[0] https://qz.com/1212330/a-bulgarian-scheme-scammed-spotify-fo...

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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Yeah, they could build an in house alternative to the YouTube algorithm to detect dupes/ infringing material. Spotify please hire me so I can work on this, tack.

> Spotify please hire me so I can work on this, tack. I know some people who are working on something like that with the added benefit* of being on Ethereum if that interests you... :)

I'd definitely be keen to hear more about this at least!

I've been thinking about hash values for song sections, and then proving ownership by claiming a sequence of hashes. Could help ensure you aren't subconsciously ripping other music off, and make finding 'related' songs easy (covers, remixes, etc).

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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The submitted article doesn't mention it but my guess at connecting the dots is that it's related to EU Article 13's stringent requirement of "upload filters"[0]. Yes, Spotify's direct uploading "gave opportunity for small artists to share their talent" -- but that same mechanism also made it too easy to upload copyright infringing content. Since Spotify does not have a machine learning AI copyright filter like Youtu…

>>Since Spotify does not have a machine learning AI copyright filter like Youtube's ContentID If true, this is worrying. It basically gives a handful of companies a monopoly over a potentially wide range of things. It is unreasonable to require everyone to meet a standard that relies on cutting edge technology.

It is very worrying. It is like regulatory capture, but not implemented at the request of the company. It was done purely by the EU. By requiring cutting edge and practically non existent technology, it somewhat requires a monopoly by the one company that can do it (YouTube, or do it the best because there is no perfect filter). And the EU will then turn around and fine them for being too big.

I believe in well regulated capitalism, but I find that the EU takes things too far and does not worry enough about the unintended consequences of their rules.

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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>>Since Spotify does not have a machine learning AI copyright filter like Youtube's ContentID If true, this is worrying. It basically gives a handful of companies a monopoly over a potentially wide range of things. It is unreasonable to require everyone to meet a standard that relies on cutting edge technology.

It is very worrying. It is like regulatory capture, but not implemented at the request of the company. It was done purely by the EU. By requiring cutting edge and practically non existent technology, it somewhat requires a monopoly by the one company that can do it (YouTube, or do it the best because there is no perfect filter). And the EU will then turn around and fine them for being too big. I believe in well regul…

The problem is less one of regulation vs. not regulating and more the fact that most of the politicians are dinosaurs with little or no understanding of modern technology.

They probably don't realise how unreasonable the demands are.

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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This sort of addresses a number of disparate issues related to quality control. I don't know how I feel about it, but they probably had to do it to prevent becoming the next YouTube. As long as they don't allow user ratings or user comments they should be fine. https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/7/5690590/spotify-removes-si... https://qz.com/1212330/a-bulgarian-scheme-scammed-spotify-fo... https://www.vulture.com/2017/0…

El-P has also raised similar issues:

"What I mean is I regularly have to send take down notices not only for people using my name for their music and it appearing on my artist page but for people uploading my albums to their page and assumedly having my money diverted to them until we catch it."

https://exclaim.ca/music/article/el-p_rages_out_on_spotify_f...

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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This sort of addresses a number of disparate issues related to quality control. I don't know how I feel about it, but they probably had to do it to prevent becoming the next YouTube. As long as they don't allow user ratings or user comments they should be fine. https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/7/5690590/spotify-removes-si... https://qz.com/1212330/a-bulgarian-scheme-scammed-spotify-fo... https://www.vulture.com/2017/0…

> As long as they don't allow user ratings or user comments they should be fine.

I will however pay extra for blocklists. If they let me block an artist, oh man. That would be the best money spent.

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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post #20

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It keeps happening with their draconian regulations. After the privacy/data protection bill, I hear that the european market for online advertising imploded trying to meet regulations and Google Ads gobbled up some 30-40% more market share in Europe. It came down to the fact that Google was able to meet the regulations fastest, and achieve informed user consent across a wide userbase dramatically faster than small lo…

It might actually turn out for the better. Google is a big target; they can't fly under the radar. As for demolishing small businesses, small businesses aren't an universal, unquestionable good. In this particular case, we need less adtech business in general. It's like dumping toxic waste into rivers - not only lots of small polluters aren't better than few big ones, the desirable thing is just having less polluters…

I literally cannot imagine supporting monopolies/oligopolies over healthy competition.

There really is more than just an ocean between America and Europe, the culture is so dramatically different.

How can one honestly believe that a Google data monopoly is better for privacy and innovation? It seems to fly in the face of every lesson learned by every monopoly in history.

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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post #20

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It keeps happening with their draconian regulations. After the privacy/data protection bill, I hear that the european market for online advertising imploded trying to meet regulations and Google Ads gobbled up some 30-40% more market share in Europe. It came down to the fact that Google was able to meet the regulations fastest, and achieve informed user consent across a wide userbase dramatically faster than small lo…

Why do you think that advertising business is good and imploding ad business means privacy regulation is bad for small businesses in general? Besides, GDPR is an extension of similar laws that have existed for years .

* I didnt say ad business was good or bad, but from the perspective of a European I would want European firms competing against American firms and keeping money and talent in my borders to boost my communities.

* I didn't say that imploding ad business means privacy regulation is bad for small business, but I did demonstrate that big regulation chokes out small business and strongly correlates with big business success

Re: Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent artists

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post #42

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I'm really sorry to hear that google ads got even more, and now they're going to complain about a monopoly. Things like GDPR also make it harder to start a competitor, as paperwork and red tape always do; I have not personally worked on GDPR for any thing, but know some one who does and it's a nightmare. If stringent government regulation got you here, maybe it will be less of that, not more, that gets you out.

If stringent government regulation got you here, maybe it will be less of that, not more, that gets you out. Yeah, we see how fantastically that one worked with the Boeing corporation and their newest flagship plane, The 737MAX.

Gotta love the uber-intellectual reply that any valid criticism of European regulation brings: "but WHATABOUT "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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